I was talking about my windows.

No, you were talking about your Windows.

Must have made a typo.

Only large ancient trees, places in California, mountains and mountain ranges, big cats and forbidden fruit from the Garden of Eden can be mentioned within these hallowed…errr spaces.

Anything to do with glazing, the outside of objects, or extremely small soft things gets you banned and barred 😂😝

In reply to a post by Pheasant:

My humble apologies for the thread derailment. 🙈

Thankfully Adrian brought us back to topic in his post above and I can confirm Sequioa is working lovely here, with updated Dell monitor software released last week.

It’s humming even with Windows 24H2 and some fat old 3D CAD software sitting on top. Sorry couldn’t help myself 😂

I started the thread and I am not bothered. I see Sequoia 15.2 is in beta and has more AI rubbish on it. Still one good thing with Mac Os, it is easy to turn it off with just one switch. I bet it is not that easy on Windows 11. Still not updated to Sequoia yet, still waiting to see if they sort out the issues with it that some people are having.
The one reason i got a Mac was because it works and i got fed up with mucking around Windows what may work until MS does an update to put more junk in that some of us did not need.

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

I started the thread and I am not bothered. I see Sequoia 15.2 is in beta and has more AI rubbish on it. Still one good thing with Mac Os, it is easy to turn it off with just one switch.

15.2 is in beta, but its really the same as 15.1 with support for UK English (and Australian, Canadian etc English) where as 15.1 was only USA English. Not really any new features until the new year.

Windows 11 has much less AI integration, and the "copilot" is just an app that shows https://copilot.microsoft.com in a window, so you can just uninstall it. There isn't the integration that Apple has on Mac.

The one reason i got a Mac was because it works and i got fed up with mucking around Windows what may work until MS does an update to put more junk in that some of us did not need.

You didn't hear the screams from our Mac users in Sept whom went to 15.0 and found half their tools that worked in previous macOS stopped working. Not really tools that home users would use, corporate VPN clients, and some diagnostic software for instrumentation.

But Apple isn't better than Microsoft in their annual releases, just different.

In reply to a post by jchamier:

15.2 is in beta, but its really the same as 15.1 with support for UK English (and Australian, Canadian etc English) where as 15.1 was only USA English. Not really any new features until the new year.

I thought it put AI into siri in 15.2, the writing tools are already in 15.1 as far as i know for any country.

Windows 11 has much less AI integration, and the "copilot" is just an app that shows https://copilot.microsoft.com in a window, so you can just uninstall it. There isn't the integration that Apple has on Mac.

Maybe so, but least on the mac, all you have to do is flick one switch, virtual switch, but you know what i mean.
On Windows, you seem to have to go to different parts of the OS to disable different parts of the AI stuff. that is just Windows 10, so no idea what Windows 11 is like now.

You didn't hear the screams from our Mac users in Sept whom went to 15.0 and found half their tools that worked in previous macOS stopped working. Not really tools that home users would use, corporate VPN clients, and some diagnostic software for instrumentation.

But Apple isn't better than Microsoft in their annual releases, just different.

I did hear the screams. That is why I have been a bit worried about updating to Sequoia. I have done so this morning, so we will see how it goes.,

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

I thought it put AI into siri in 15.2, the writing tools are already in 15.1 as far as i know for any country.

Only if you set your Siri language to "US English", same rules as iPhone/iPad on 18.x.

Apple UK's web page even says "coming in December" https://www.apple.com/uk/apple-intelligence/

the X.2 release will solve this for English in Australia, Canada, New Zealand, South Africa in December, and then the X.4 release for many many other world languages.

Maybe so, but least on the mac, all you have to do is flick one switch, virtual switch, but you know what i mean.
On Windows, you seem to have to go to different parts of the OS to disable different parts of the AI stuff. that is just Windows 10, so no idea what Windows 11 is like now.

11 is tidied up 10, as the way the 10 was the dramatic improvement over Win8

I did hear the screams. That is why I have been a bit worried about updating to Sequoia. I have done so this morning, so we will see how it goes.,

The failing software was generally not used by home users, so it didn't impact my family and friends on Mac. Just loads of my corporate colleagues .

Sorry you may have mentioned it already but which VPN software was it that failed, at least initially, under Sequoia?

Did the VPN vendor patch it or wait for the Sequoia 15.01 or later 15.1 updates?

(Running ZeroTier here)

In reply to a post by Pheasant:

Sorry you may have mentioned it already but which VPN software was it that failed, at least initially, under Sequoia? Did the VPN vendor patch it or wait for the Sequoia 15.01 or later 15.1 updates?

Issues reported with loads, but ones I recall being Cisco AnyConnect, Fortinet, and JunOS pulse. I think even OpenVPN was impacted to some extent.

The problems ranged from connecting with no routing, to random disconnections and obscure errors being raised. Many people rolled back to 14.x as there was no known timeframe for a fix from the vendor or Apple.

I try to keep away from the Mac support team in Sept/oct each year!