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Standard User jchamier
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Fri 03-Jan-25 11:59:19
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Re: Circles within circles; Apple to separate CPU from GPU


[re: zyborg47] [link to this post]
 
Well it depends on what you see / experience, but from being on the edge of an IT dept with tens of thousands of laptops, split equally Windows and Mac, there is little difference in the traditional reliability. This is probably because everyone now uses SSD storage and soldered in memory chips. (as long as the Windows laptops are premium competitors to Apple's, e.g. MS Surface Laptop against the MacBook Air)

The Mac M3 and M4 are faster for some computation operations, but not everything. Works well for those areas where Apple has put specific features into the M series processor; but so many people in business use web based apps, or use MS Office or similar (Google Workspace, LibreOffice) that the processor is never normally taxed.

It comes to preference of which file manager you like in many cases; or if a specific application you need for your work is only available on one operating system. Which is less and less an issue it appears.

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Standard User zyborg47
(legend) Sun 05-Jan-25 08:36:01
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i doubt the majority of people really care, as long as it does what they want. My brother have just bought a Acer n100 based machine just for some office stuff, he is not bothered about it being superfast as long as it does what he need it to do.
He does have a faster machine for his music stuff, need it to run Abalton live.

My old AMD machine is still working, it has got a few problems, but nothing major, but it is over 7 years old.

My M2 pro Mac is okay for video editing, I doubt going to M3 or M4 will make much if any difference, not that I am going to.

Adrian

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Standard User jchamier
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Sun 05-Jan-25 12:14:30
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In reply to a post by zyborg47:
i doubt the majority of people really care, as long as it does what they want.

And this is why the sales statistics show that home users (massive number) only buy a computer (PC/Mac, laptop/desktop) for some business type task. The majority of home users now does their internet on mobile devices; sites such as gov.uk (tax, car stuff etc) had to ensure they worked on mobile a long time ago.

The business world would add to your sentance, and is secure, whatever their insurer or regulator requires. Many require audit proof monthly that the latest patches are installed, this means most businesses I know are running macOS Sequioa or Windows 11. Some on Win10 will be on Win11 by August 2025 just to meet this.

The business cost of not being insured/compliant with regulator is much higer than replacing / upgrading.

In your case any Mac with an M series CPU (from 2020's M1 based Air) is going to be supported for Apple for 6 or 7 years of updates. Home users may risk a few years after, businesses will replace then, or on a regular schedule if they lease.

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Standard User andynormancx
(experienced) Mon 06-Jan-25 17:15:30
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Re: Circles within circles; Apple to separate CPU from GPU


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Not separate in the way you are thinking of.

They are just talking about it being on a separate piece of silicon, but still on the same package as the CPU.

It seems very unlikely they are going to go back to putting GPUs at the other end of a PCIe bus. Even PCIe 6 x16 is "only" 128 GB/s, which is a long way behind what they can do on the M2 Ultra thanks to the CPU and the GPU both having 800 GB/s to the shared RAM.

Of course dedicated GPUs have more bandwidth than that to their own RAM, but that is at the other end of the PCIe bus to the CPU.
Standard User Pheasant
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Mon 06-Jan-25 18:22:29
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Yeah quite so. The bit about the Mac Pro was a bit a joke / throw away line. I missed off the smilie 😅
Standard User andynormancx
(experienced) Mon 06-Jan-25 19:41:54
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lol wink
Standard User zyborg47
(legend) Tue 07-Jan-25 09:53:42
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I know more people that use tablets or phones than computers these days, I don't own a tablet, unless you count my Kobo ereader and that can't do anything, while it does come with a browser, I would not want to surf the net on it smile
Phone is too small for me.
I am not a fan of tablets or laptops for that matter.

Most businesses use PC's, I doubt there are many unless they do graphic design that uses a mac and even then, few and far between

I don't know what the company I work for will do about Windows, at the moment they use Windows 10, if it is anything like when they changed from 7 to 10, it may take them a while. I don't know if the machines can officially run 11, they are Dell thin clients and now a few years old.

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Standard User andynormancx
(experienced) Tue 07-Jan-25 11:07:01
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Windows is still the norm in business for most of the people running corporate web apps or doing email/document/spreadsheet generation.

But it is a bit different in some sectors. Macs are pretty popular in the software development side of business nowadays.

Surveys suggest around 60% of developers use Windows, with macOS and Linux both having about 40% of developers using them (with the number not adding up to 100% as many developers uses more than one OS).
Standard User Pheasant
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Tue 07-Jan-25 11:32:11
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Had a bit more of a deep dive into this last night, it’s really just another die packaging technique from TSMC.

Means they don’t have to cram all the SoC functionality onto one die, which as you increase the size of the die, reduces the yield. Makes the whole exercise uneconomical at some point. If they can stack smaller dies with the same features and functionality, on top of one another or horizontally adjacent then they can get away with smaller dies. Improves their yield, heat dissipation from a single very large die etc.

Pretty much an evolution of the “chiplet” technique used with AMD.
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