Is 4GEE a ripoff?

I signed up with EE for a Mobile Wifi dongle (Alcatel Y800), about 7 weeks ago; stupidly entering into a 2 yr contract. I did the data calculator on their website and was recommended a 3Gb contract but took up the 5Gb offer to be sure. However, 3 weeks into the first month all the data was gone! (I live in Southampton where we get double superfast). I couldn't understand where the data had gone because we don't download much or watch catchup tv, just maybe a few Youtube vids on mobile devices. we tend to use our phones for browsing and only a couple of hours in the evenings.

The next month my 5gig was all done within 2 weeks! We even used up 2.3Gb in about 3 days!! I have spoken to the tech guys (eventually) and have had mixed insider tips about the 'correct way to use mifi'; Don't use PC - use apps instead; change browsers; block pop-ups; don't stream in HQ, etc.... but doesn't that somehow defeat the purpose of signing up in the first place?

My gripe is that there is no forewarning about this massively increased data usage on the mobile 4G. The EE website just says 'come on in and let us take your money'

Tech have said they cannot provide details on where the data is being used up and have pledged a 2Gb add-on freebie - but not until my next refresh! I think I have been mis-sold............. anybody else been caught out?

You were sold a service with a monthly data transfer limit and EE appear to be providing that limit.

The difficulty of relatively low limits (you're paying for 5GB, not 5Gb - B=bytes, b=bits) and fast service is that you can chew through that limit very quickly. For example, watching YouTube videos on a mobile device with default settings may well open an HD connection at ~4Mbit/s if the bandwidth is available, which works out at around 1.8GBytes/hour. If watching at 1080p, the bandwidth usage might be double that.


There is no equivalent of the Sale of Goods Act 1979 section 4(3) requirement for fitness for any purpose implicitly or explicitly disclosed to the seller in the services provisions (Part II, which is sections 12 to 16) of the Supply of Goods and Services Act 1982.

Most of the misselling cases the public is aware of (card protection insurance and especially PPI) relate to regulated financial products such as insurance, but this financial services legislation would not apply to a mobile broadband contract as it is not a regulated product.

Any rights you have to bring the contract to an end based on misselling relate will therefore depend on terms of the contract itself, viewed against the background of underlying contract law. Misrepresentation is a concept known in contract law, but EE would undoubtedly claim the calculator is only a guide and that your Internet usage scenario is entirely your business (you could, for example, avoid streaming video on mobile connections). 5GBytes/month is a very low usage product for a primary broadband connection - even with little streaming video use, we can easily chew through 1GByte/day.

In reply to a post by Jerryt:

Is 4GEE a ripoff?

Yes. You paid more to get 4G as an early adopter before it had become more mainstream and there was real competition.

David,
I 'hear' what you are saying... But even in what you have pointed out about streaming Youtube in HD I would not have chosen to do so had I been informed about the amount of data it shifts in this mode. I used 1/2 GB in ten minutes! I now no longer watch, download or stream videos (in fear of the amount it will use up).

My issue is with the transparency of the product. The EE L2 tech guys admitted to me that the allowances (at those prices) were pitiful, and the data calculator is clearly a gimmick to haul you in. There should be a warning up front and one should not have to find out later that it actually costs more than the company advertises.

EE's largest tariff is £26 for a mere 8GB - Roll on the competition and then maybe we will get a fair deal on prices, or at least unlimited!

In reply to a post by pcoventry76:

You should have got something with 3. their Ultrafast network is just a good in some places and better in others. The data allowances are more generous £15 for 10GB) and unlimited if you get a phone.

Unfortunately, we haven't got Three down here yet, plus i don't want another phone...plus i don't rate them much at all - seriously bad reputation!

I have moved from a fibre-optic BB area onto a boat on the river and so hardlines aren't an option

Unfortunately, like most things, it's a case of caveat emptor (let the buyer beware).


As I said in a thread dealing with entirely different facts today, your legal position might be secondary to the moral and PR position if you approach the company with a clear request based on the facts. If you believe you were misled into buying the service based on the calculator and it is not suitable for your needs so you want out of the contract, you have little to lose by writing to the company briefly setting out the facts (your YouTube HD example is a good illustration), asking for release for the contract, agreeing that you will pay any subscription fees due to the point of cancellation and return the device (which is probably locked to EE anyway) if released from the contract.

You can always come back later with a more formal request based on a proper legal analysis of the position, including misrepresentation.


As has been said, 4GEE has a huge 'early adopter' premium. It isn't necessarily that much faster than the most advanced variants of 3G - and once you've got over the '4G' logo, it doesn't really matter whether your connection uses 3G, 4G or what a famous Internet document termed 'avian carriers' (i.e. carrier pigeons) if it does what you require.


Mobile networks are not well suited to heavy use, because the capacity is limited and expensive to bolster. The mobile networks have moved away for 'all you can eat' data, with Three policing their 'all you can eat' data tariffs in an attempt to restrict them to untethered phones only, and the other networks going to limited tariffs. When unlimited data was at its height a few years ago, saturation in popular areas was a major problem - the experience was as bad as when you land up in a 2G only area, where the very limited capacity (tens of kbits/s without EDGE) can mean the data service is unusable.

Even UK Broadband, who use 4G technology in the 3.5-3.7GHz range to provide fixed data links in a few locations, use various limiting techniques despite having much more bandwidth than the mobile operators and the advantage of knowing the location of the client devices.

The 4GEE data usage calculator doesn't really take account of modern HD streaming rates - it is rather conservative. It also states this in the small print:

Our data calculator relies on the information you've provided, so please make sure you've read and considered how the calculator uses this information by clicking on the question mark icon above. The actual amount of data used for the described activity can vary according to device, operating system and the nature of the activity. This is a general guide only and it doesn't take into account how your usage could evolve over time. You should carefully select the 4GEE plan that best suits your mobile phone needs

None of the data checkers are very accurate as to real world usage as it is very difficult to judge what might be used when someone gets a new connection.

In reply to a post by David_W:

Mobile networks are not well suited to heavy use, because the capacity is limited and expensive to bolster. The mobile networks have moved away for 'all you can eat' data, with Three policing their 'all you can eat' data tariffs in an attempt to restrict them to untethered phones only, and the other networks going to limited tariffs. When unlimited data was at its height a few years ago, saturation in popular areas was a major problem - the experience was as bad as when you land up in a 2G only area, where the very limited capacity (tens of kbits/s without EDGE) can mean the data service is unusable.

Very True.

T-Mobile actually refused to renew (on the same terms) my sim only contract that allowed unlimited data and tethering.

In reply to a post by ian72:

The 4GEE data usage calculator doesn't really take account of modern HD streaming rates - it is rather conservative.

I believe Andrew covered this in the news a while back (maybe last year) that EE had assumed data usage based on an average 6 meg 3G connection and neglected to notice that YouTube and iPlayer and other streaming sites up their data rate when the throughput increases (better picture quality).

In reply to a post by pcoventry76:

that's because they stopped doing it.

They did?
http://www.t-mobile.co.uk/shop/pay-monthly/plans/?pr...

£27 a month or more gets you unlimited data. However they throttle this to 4megabit.

In reply to a post by pcoventry76:

In all the time I have had 3 they have never done in 10 years what EE did in 10 mins, I'd say if 3's rep is bad EE is disastrous.

Also a fair point!

The guy behind the till at the local petrol station recommends the new GoFasterJuice - it's almost twice the price of normal fuel because it's brand new but your car will go twice as fast. He reckons you'll need half a tank to do your regular journeys.

But it's now such fun driving so fast that you make more trips and visit new places that had been too far away before. So you're disappointed when you run out of GoFasterJuice before the end of the month.

I don't think you were ripped off.
Perhaps the solution is to fit a fuel gauge so you can monitor how much you're using?

In reply to a post by ceedee:

I don't think you were ripped off.
Perhaps the solution is to fit a fuel gauge so you can monitor how much you're using?

Nice analogy........ but totally useless as it doesn't address my original point!

btw, i have installed a counter on my phone

I am not sure what the original point was. You are suggesting that data usage increases moving to 4G. If you were doing identical things on 3G and 4G then the data usage should be identical.

So, either something different is happening (perhaps higher quality videos via youtube because it recognises it is a higher data rate - but that is difficult to account for from EEs perpective), you are doing something additional or there is a technical issue with your device and it is doing data transfers that you are not aware of.

Ideally you need to know what data is being transferred but that may not be feasible - maybe there is an app for your handset that would real time monitor data usage and what apps are using it?

When browsing the EE/Orange offerings about 3 months back, I noted that there was a warning that HD versions of videos, increase the total data transferred by something like 4 times.

Edited by deleted (Wed 09-Oct-13 12:19:12)

In reply to a post by ian72:

I am not sure what the original point was.

Ideally you need to know what data is being transferred but that may not be feasible - maybe there is an app for your handset that would real time monitor data usage and what apps are using it?

Perhaps the original point has been lost in this string, but my gripe was about the transparency about the increase in data consumption from the company. There is nothing I have seen by way of a warning (or an admission) about how much extra data you might need to conduct your normal daily business. Perhaps there may be something buried away in the Ts & Cs.

I have installed Mobile Counter Pro on my phone and am now just waiting for my data refresh (6 days and counting down) to see how we get on. What I must stress is that when we ate up over 2 GB in less than 3 days we were NOT streaming nor downloading any media, just browsing and the obligatory FB here and there. Perhaps there is something wrong with my device but Tech did not even consider this - just said you've eaten up your allowance...sorry!

I would say your device is doing something strange. For what you say you are doing you should have got nowhere near 2GB. 4G should not in itself increase data usage and the main culprit would be higher speed streams of video but if you aren't doing that then something is wrong.

So, either the device is broken (and it will be interesting to see what the usage software on the device says) or there is something wrong with EEs accounting system.

What phone have you get? I know that iPhones roughly track the amount of data usage on the mobile network and it is possible that your own phone does as well.

In reply to a post by pcoventry76:

swiveled 180 degrees so you could do rear stuff **

In reply to a post by pcoventry76:

I'm intrigued. Perhaps you could elaborate

I have the SG4 with ZDbox as a data counter for my contract use.

So have you checked what the handset thinks you have used to see if it matches with what EE are saying?

Seems the SG4 counts its usage according to this

In reply to a post by pcoventry76:

And the unlimited data would have helped you. 3 do 15Gb for £25 a month on a contract.

The One Plan SIM-Only deal dropped to £15 from July, on a 12 month contract, or £18 on rolling monthly contract. I know OP isn't after another phone but if using the internet from one location, it would be possible to switch a cheapish Android into a hot-spot for 3-4 devices, as the One Plan not only provide unlimited data but tethering too. I've bought s/h Android mobile for around £40 on Ebay, but acknowledge not ideal for OP. I think Three should offer something higher than 15 GB given the way they have dropped the cost of the One Plan and that has texts and voice calls too...

I used Three from 2008 for 4 years (15 GB/month for £7.50 as there was a half price deal on in 2008) but that was on a dongle. Bought the ZTE mains-powered wireless router that shared the USB modem but unfortunately the One Plan SIM needs to go in a phone...

I switched to T-Mobile in January but after 6 months on their Full Monty (unlimited everything) they had removed so many masts here near Liverpool that they allowed me to cancel the contract 6 month early. (Handy I got £101 cashback when I signed up, so it ended up breaking even... ie pretty much free to me). I'm back with Three and £13/month gets me unlimited data and a low end Blackberry mobile (but the SIM is now in one of my Android mobiles).

Are you only using mobile devices? Only ask because of course someone with a laptop or desktop might have 'system updates' enabled and could download quite a lot of data... Also, any chance someone else using your connection - it is no doubt protected with encryption...

Sorry, just covering the basics (for someone else who might come along in future)

Actually, i have never used this function on the SG4!! (because of the ZD app). However, its great, but you cannot input a different period for wifi (as in my case) from mobile data. Good tho'

Ha! I was actually referring to your Freudian slip not the camera function

Edited by deleted (Fri 11-Oct-13 16:47:03)