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Landlines are not ceasing in the foreseeable future. Only the landline PSTN phone service. VOIP and broadband from any provider will still work over landlines.

Indeed, but the question of what happens with no electricity has not been answered as far as I know, and the only answer I know is mobile. Do you have an up-to-date policy on UPS provision?

As to my question about mobile coverage?

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but the question of what happens with no electricity has not been answered as far as I know, and the only answer I know is mobile. Do you have an up-to-date policy on UPS provision?

You could ask the same about what happens to your TV, washing machine and every other product in your house when the lights go out, those that are proactive with make provisions to power the lights (and the ONT and router) by other means as we can't always expect others to be responsible for these sorts of things.

As to my question about mobile coverage?

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Indeed, but the question of what happens with no electricity has not been answered as far as I know, and the only answer I know is mobile. Do you have an up-to-date policy on UPS provision?

As to my question about mobile coverage?

I would not be overconfident about mobile as the get-out clause. Most mobile masts are built with limited battery back-up and will go down within a few hours of an outage so if you are in the sort of rural area that has outages lasting 12 or more hours while the electricity network teams mobilise and fix the cause then you are likely to lose mobile signal before the power is restored.

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As to my question about mobile coverage?

Sorry I thought below was your latest question.

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the question of what happens with no electricity

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As to my question about mobile coverage?

In my fairly urban built up town when we had a longer term power cut in 2017 (about 6 hours) the mobile masts of Three, EE, Vodafone and O2 all stopped working. Virgin Media connections stopped working, and only ADSL and VDSL/FTTC worked.

The UK isn't the only country ending exchange provided voice and volts, most of Europe is doing similar.

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The UK isn't the only country ending exchange provided voice and volts, most of Europe is doing similar.

Seems people in other countries are better at adapting than we are. Do you know if other countries have larger battery stores next to every mast allowing them to run for longer.

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Seems people in other countries are better at adapting than we are. Do you know if other countries have larger battery stores next to every mast allowing them to run for longer.

I don't, it may not be easy to find out either.

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The UK isn't the only country ending exchange provided voice and volts, most of Europe is doing similar.

Seems people in other countries are better at adapting than we are. Do you know if other countries have larger battery stores next to every mast allowing them to run for longer.

It is happening to a very limited extent in the UK. Coquetdale in Northumberland was very badly hit by Storm Arwen with many properties without any form of electricity or mobile signal for a week or more. The local County Councillor, Steven Bridgett, has since taken a proactive stance and through his insistence all planning applications for new masts in his ward have only been granted if the application includes provision by battery back-up or self-contained generator equipment so that service can be maintained for at least seven days and preferably up to 16 days. It is a pity that other Northumberland Country Councillors like ours do not take the same view.

Just for the record, Cllr. Bridgett sits as an Independent and is not tied to following any party line.

Aaargh!

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Aaargh!

Sorry Mike, I didn't mean to upset you.

Chances are this will just result in network operators deciding not to put any masts in that need to go through a planning process.

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Chances are this will just result in network operators deciding not to put any masts in that need to go through a planning process.

Majority don't need planning approval, as the mobile operators have "code powers" from Ofcom. They just need to notify and councils can request sites are moved, but not blocked. But a decade ago many locations, including rural and urban had sites blocked and often the networks have not returned.

If you find you local council and planning entries for a telecommunications development, it is often clear from the paperwork.

Edited by jchamier (Sat 15-Jul-23 19:01:14)

I may have made a leap of faith about planning permission in my assertion but this is what Cllr. Bridgett put in an e-mail to me two weeks ago:

"I understand and appreciate the situation you find yourselves in but the same won’t apply to the area I represent, as I have made sure that there is back-up generation and fuel storage on all of the new masts being built in this area and I am working with the telecoms providers to have them installed on the existing masts."

He must have more ways of applying pressure than just the planning process!