Hermitage Way EE 5G Mast

Been walking today saw engineers put up new EE 5G Mobile Mast told me it will go live by next week

Photo 1: https://i.ibb.co/PmRcvYx/20240730-134727.jpg
Photo 2: https://i.ibb.co/cJLhfFS/20240730-135032.jpg
Photo 3: https://i.ibb.co/RYNhhpq/20240730-135102.jpg

Edited by adslmax (Tue 30-Jul-24 16:13:48)

In reply to a post by adslmax:

Been walking today saw engineers put up new EE 5G Mobile Mast told me it will go live by next week

Looks like a Hutchison pole, that will probably have 4G/5G for Three, and 4G only for EE, at least thats what happened in my town. EE hardly ever have 5G on these.

It looks like there is a set of 5g MIMO antenna panels at the top of that "pole of wonder".
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4Mfr5nPNWG4

In reply to a post by jchamier:

Looks like a Hutchison pole, that will probably have 4G/5G for Three, and 4G only for EE, at least thats what happened in my town. EE hardly ever have 5G on these.

I check on Three there is no work there. Only EE working on this new mobile mast. The engineers told me it will be 5G EE (MBNL)

https://i.ibb.co/9cRKL5s/Screenshot.png

Edited by adslmax (Wed 31-Jul-24 17:33:55)

It is definitely an EE mast.

Shame they're not putting their kit on the new Three mast in Madeley by Tesco.

In reply to a post by adslmax:

I check on Three there is no work there. Only EE working on this new mobile mast. The engineers told me it will be 5G EE (MBNL)

very nice.

MBNL is the joint organisation owned by EE and Three together, its unusual to have an EE unilateral, there are a few thousand of Three unlaterals.

If Three and Vodafone are allowed to merge, expect a lot of change around MBNL...!

In reply to a post by wolvesmad:

It is definitely an EE mast.

Shame they're not putting their kit on the new Three mast in Madeley by Tesco.

Do you mean by the park lane nearby Andy's Fish bar there is Three new PoW been there for ages since last year but expecting go live in mid-October this year. https://postimg.cc/gXD97LsT

Edited by adslmax (Thu 01-Aug-24 14:44:22)

In reply to a post by jchamier:

very nice.

MBNL is the joint organisation owned by EE and Three together, its unusual to have an EE unilateral, there are a few thousand of Three unlaterals.

If Three and Vodafone are allowed to merge, expect a lot of change around MBNL...!

Went pass there today as you are correct there. One of of the engineer supervisor told me 5G will be Three panel and 4G panel will be Three & EE but EE 5G will be installing 2nd one later in end of September by the look of the work upcoming.

EE (Everything Everywhere) works

29 Sep '24 23:00 to 04 Oct '24 22:59
Work description

THESE WORKS ARE FOR THE INSTALLATION OF MOBILE TELECOMMUNICATIONS EQUIPMENT. THESE WORKS WILL INVOLVE INSTALLATION OF A NEW ANTENNA COLUMN, NEW TELECOMS CABINETS ON TO PRE-INSTALLED BASES, ELECTRICAL CONNECTIONS, AND COMMISSIONING OF NEW EQUIPMENT.
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PAA Granted

Where is that one though. It's another column. Where does it say 5G?

Three PoW mast to be switched on 5G next week by Aqueduct Telford

Castlefields Way
7 Aug 09:30 - 15:30
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Hutchison 3G Ltd

In reply to a post by pluralist:

Where is that one though. It's another column. Where does it say 5G?

5G panels at the top (small panels) (2nd installation in the same place Hermitage Way but further down the road)

Next year Three going to installing 20m PoW by the Madeley Academy, Castlefields Way, Madeley, Telford (subject to be approved by Telford Council) as it badly need it there for Woodside area.

In reply to a post by adslmax:

Went pass there today as you are correct there. One of of the engineer supervisor told me 5G will be Three panel and 4G panel will be Three & EE but EE 5G will be installing 2nd one later in end of September by the look of the work upcoming.

That small top panel is a "massive MIMO" needed for the high band (capacity) 5G signals; and if two rows are fitted than it will be a joint EE and Three 4G and 5G pole. That explains why there is a gap below the Three 5G panels for something else; I assumed as novel space separator.

All the poles that look like the picture you provided in my town are 4G/5G for Three, and 4G for EE only, all installed under the "MBNL" name, and in many cases replaced older poles.

e.g. this one by Morrisons, has really fast 4G from EE, and 4G/5G from Three; it has been in place about 3 years now. https://maps.app.goo.gl/A1fJWhreBSiYXJR3A

Edited by jchamier (Thu 01-Aug-24 21:12:44)

Looks very similar to the new 3/EE monopoles fitted in Lincoln, except the Lincoln ones only have the single layer of 5G MIMO at the top. 3 went live about 3-6 Months after installation, EE does not appear to be live yet on many of them. There are both 3 and EE stickers on the cabinet.

I bet Hermitage Way won't go live switched on until next year (months and months to wait)

In reply to a post by lincsat:

Looks very similar to the new 3/EE monopoles fitted in Lincoln, except the Lincoln ones only have the single layer of 5G MIMO at the top. 3 went live about 3-6 Months after installation, EE does not appear to be live yet on many of them. There are both 3 and EE stickers on the cabinet.

Any EE 4G on them?

I went to Hermitage Way with two sims, Three (smarty) and EE (1p mobile) on same mobile phone A55 5G, both only pick up 4G but not great speed. Smarty 4G get 14.6Mbps down and 3.2Mbps up - no 5G! And 1p Mobile 4G get 69.4Mbps down and 52.8Mbps up - no 5G!

https://i.ibb.co/hcn7zHX/Screenshot-3.png - three
https://i.ibb.co/MyvG6L9/Screenshot-2.png - ee

I expecting 4G to be lots better! But very poor on Three but EE could do better!

The new PoW mast is nearly finished work but think it not fully active yet! (probably next year)

Edited by adslmax (Fri 02-Aug-24 17:29:07)

In reply to a post by jchamier:

In reply to a post by lincsat:

Looks very similar to the new 3/EE monopoles fitted in Lincoln, except the Lincoln ones only have the single layer of 5G MIMO at the top. 3 went live about 3-6 Months after installation, EE does not appear to be live yet on many of them. There are both 3 and EE stickers on the cabinet.

Any EE 4G on them?

No active EE, it may be in test mode but my phone on SPUSU (EE) shows very low signal in the vicinity.

Edited by lincsat (Fri 02-Aug-24 17:29:07)

In reply to a post by adslmax:

The new PoW mast is nearly finished work but think it not fully active yet! (probably next year)

New masts can go live quickly, but then take ages to get full speeds; can take a year or more to fully integrate.

In my town all the 5G poles were replacing older 4G only services, and the 4G improved (newer radios, more capacity bands) and the 5G for Three was in addition.

Edited by jchamier (Fri 02-Aug-24 17:42:54)

In reply to a post by lincsat:

No active EE, it may be in test mode but my phone on SPUSU (EE) shows very low signal in the vicinity.

Yeah, probably for the installers only, may not have the backhaul yet.

Think it went live now. Mobile show 5G NSA
https://www.speedtest.net/my-result/a/10282088541

Netmonster was reported EE 4G LTE 1800 / 5G NSA 3600
CI 7906560
EARFCN 1617
eNb 30885
CID 0
TAC 25201
PCI 445
BW 20+20+15+40MHz
RSSI -76dBm
RSRP -74 dBm
RSRQ -4dB
SNR 4dB
CQI 15
TA 5 (390m)

5G NSA
PCI 642
ARFCN 636960
CSI RSRP -140 dBm
CSI RSRQ -20 dB
CSI SNR - 23dB
SS RSRP -80dBm
SS RSRQ -10 dB
SS SNR 18dB
BW n48

Edited by adslmax (Fri 02-Aug-24 18:49:08)

The completed work!

https://i.ibb.co/565N5PP/20240802-175536.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/85qVhPt/20240802-175544.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/g9yrtWY/20240802-175554.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/3SLNPXP/20240802-175629.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/89H9Dby/20240802-175618.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/h93h0MM/20240802-180004.jpg

In reply to a post by adslmax:

Think it went live now. Mobile show 5G NSA
https://www.speedtest.net/my-result/a/10282088541

Excellent, backhaul was ready

Netmonster was reported EE 4G LTE 1800 / 5G NSA 3600
EARFCN 1617

EE standard L03 (1800 MHz) base layer.

BW n48

EE's N48 layer (3600 MHz) for NR.


NSA (Non StandAlone) means the phone will sit on 4G (showing a 5G logo!) and when you use data, will make use of the 5G speeds, and then go back to 4G. This saves battery; and means all the complex signalling still runs over 4G.

Was ever wondering if future 5G become Stand Alone (5G SA) will it applied on the same mast or take it down and replaced 5G SA?

In reply to a post by adslmax:

Was ever wondering if future 5G become Stand Alone (5G SA) will it applied on the same mast or take it down and replaced 5G SA?

Same mast and equipment, its a software change that can be done remotely.

In reply to a post by jchamier:

Same mast and equipment, its a software change that can be done remotely.

That's good. Seem EE 5G was very quick to build new PoW mast and active after 3 days. Quicker than Three (take ages months, months or even a year wait) as I know Three not active on this mast yet. EE need to updated map coverage thought and also cellmapper too!

Edited by adslmax (Fri 02-Aug-24 20:41:59)

I managed to put EE 1p mobile on Three Hub by the windows in my pc room and getting good speed 634/110 from EE 5G mast from Hermitage Way with excellent signals -79 to -82


https://i.ibb.co/gPF3M4t/9u4yxbUZ.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/NxFJ3zT/Screenshot-1.png

Edited by adslmax (Fri 02-Aug-24 22:35:20)

All the several Three monopoles I encounter in the Greater Manchester area I live in went live with 5G within a few days of the completion of their installation.

Can these masts share 5G or are the small 5G antennae single operator only? This mast looks to have space for another set of 5G antennae whereas the new monopoles in my area only appear to have spaces for the single set. I assume they can share 4G OK.

In reply to a post by lincsat:

Can these masts share 5G or are the small 5G antennae single operator only? This mast looks to have space for another set of 5G antennae whereas the new monopoles in my area only appear to have spaces for the single set. I assume they can share 4G OK.

I was wondering by this as well. No ideas!

Look like they start to active it from my other side today but last night the speed was fastest with download of 845Mbps and upload of 138Mbps. But EE 5G signal gone off today for the work to be completed.

https://i.ibb.co/9gWB9MW/Screenshot.png

Next work (2nd mast installing) https://i.ibb.co/12MVtKn/Untitled.png

Edited by adslmax (Mon 05-Aug-24 14:44:22)

EE 4G/5G Mast Dawley

https://i.ibb.co/gz43TTR/Clipped-image-20240807-1336...

5G has gone offline now. Think they are teething problem.

https://i.ibb.co/D84ZfXK/Screenshot.png

In reply to a post by adslmax:

5G has gone offline now. Think they are teething problem.

May still be integrating into the network, that can take a few weeks to months to settle down.

It now go LIVE in TF7 5SZ 5G has switched on in Hermitage Way as EE has updated their coverage too.

Three has finally switched off 3G. Only 4G now but no 5G yet.