In reply to a post by zyborg47:

As far as I remember, the menu where I can turn on and off 4G on my phone is in a different place than on a Samsung, so a sim would have to send that info back to the network provider. i doubt very much if they will stop people turning off 5G on their phone, they never stopped people turning off 4G, maybe in a few years when 5G becomes the norm

showing/hiding menu options based on a set of options in the SIM is well established on both Android and iPhone.

I realise they can operate at a wide range of frequencies, but I did not know they could change them to run 5G, I thought the hardware would need to be different.

The box at the base may need its contents changed, but it is possible to transmit 5G (as it it 2G, 3G and 4G) from the same antenna panels. It may be more efficient and cover more people with newer panels.

Just done a test, about 10Mb/s on 3G and for most part that is fine, can even play music with from a streaming service and also stream videos. I don't understand this need for 4K on a tiny phone screen. I used to have less than that on my home broadband and still watched HD content. 4G I get about 32Mb/s that is indoors. 5G can't be picked up indoors here as I had a friend over who has a phone with 5G over here last week and they could not get 5G and yet according to the Vodafone site as they are on Vodafone, the signal is good indoors and outdoors here., It seems like they have not really tested

The 3G speeds are often lower than that in most UK towns, as the capacity is moved to 4G. Speeds depend on so many variables no point discussing that here.

Sorry, that should have been I don't need fibre, not we. I don't think I will be bothered in 2030, if I am still alive I will be 63ish, I am more interested in the now. By 2030 they will no doubt bring some over technology that they will say is better than 5G. You say stop connecting technology by speed, but that is what people do and that is what providers do. Most adverts for 5G and fibre is always about the speed. Go onto a website from a provider and again it is all about the speed.

Because its the only thing the marketing departments understand, and they're all trying to poach customers from the competition.

For me, it is about getting something that works for as little costs as I can and hassle. If I get a 5G capable phone, and it is not working as it should then that is hassle, so better to switch off 5G. Fibre is hassle with people having to come in and fit it and from what I have heard from people having problems, I am better off with FTTc

In the years to come it is likely there will be no FTTC and in the same way 4G will go and 5G (and whatever comes next) will replace it. Just go with the flow.

i know it is the frequency, but it is still rubbish, if 5G can't get past building, or inside buildings then it is rubbish.

Building penetration is nothing to do with the G, and all to do with frequency and the building construction. If 4G was on that high frequency it would have the same problems.

4G phones are still being made and sold.

MediaTek, Qualcomm and the chinese modem/radio vendors are at the point where 3G/4G/5G will be in all the chips. So you may or may not be lucky finding something that is 4G only.

Here in my town we only have 5G in two tiny pools from Three. The rest of the town has great coverage from Vodafone and EE, and passable from O2. So most people here just forget about 5G. It will come in time.

In reply to a post by jchamier:

Three are already using their new 700 MHz spectrum for 5G, which should easy cover more than any of their existing 4G transmissions. (They are also using it for 4G in areas with high load)

Wrong

From my broadband stats read out Three 5G as band 1, band 3, n78, n78 with download bandwidth (MHz) 10M,15M,100M,30M total 155MHz

In reply to a post by adslmax:

Wrong

I didn't say nationally. All networks are different at a local level, they use what spectrum assets they have where they need them. I live next door to a Three mast that has only Band 3 LTE and no sign of any changes in the last 5 years.

From my broadband stats read out Three 5G as band 1, band 3, n78, n78 with download bandwidth (MHz) 10M,15M,100M,30M total 155MHz

That shows you have LTE (4G) on Band 1 and Band 3, and NR (5G) on Band 78 (twice). The band 78 is the 3.5 GHz frequency that has the poor range and indoor penetration. At a guess you are close to a new Phase 7/8 monopole. Generally need to be with 800 metres to get good speeds.

As all of the networks deploy 5G in "non standalone" mode, it requires a good/working 4G signal alongside the new signal to work.

More on Three's deployment from this year old video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzDTZDnLXxY

Edited by jchamier (Sun 12-Mar-23 10:56:27)

In reply to a post by jchamier:

At a guess you are close to a new Phase 7/8 monopole. Generally need to be with 800 metres to get good speeds.

There is no phase 7/8 monople in my area TF7 yet. The closer to me less than 400m away is Band 3 LTE (4G) 15MHz haven't changed for over 14 years now in Parkway 4G mast TF7 5RQ.

I get 5G in the loft only that pointed toward to Doseley Park mast post code TF4 3FE from my property post code TF7 which it very long distance away.

Edited by adslmax (Sun 12-Mar-23 11:05:17)

In reply to a post by adslmax:

I get 5G in the loft only that pointed toward to Doseley Park mast

So they've just started. It takes years to build a dense grid of masts. Until then enjoy what you can get from the loft.

I'm guessing this is your 4G mast:
https://goo.gl/maps/w97TV7kMqLqNoUhH6

I can't see a mast at the other postcode, but Google maps isn't great at this anyway. (they're too small from top down).

Edited by jchamier (Sun 12-Mar-23 11:40:33)

In reply to a post by jchamier:

showing/hiding menu options based on a set of options in the SIM is well established on both Android and iPhone.

Not sure how they can do it if it is in a different menu.

The box at the base may need its contents changed, but it is possible to transmit 5G (as it it 2G, 3G and 4G) from the same antenna panels. It may be more efficient and cover more people with newer panels.

It is certainly rubbish around here, so not efficient at all.

The 3G speeds are often lower than that in most UK towns, as the capacity is moved to 4G. Speeds depend on so many variables no point discussing that here.

The problem is even 4G can still be iffy in some parts and I have known my phone fall back to 3G, so what is it going to fall back to when they get rid of 3GH? Oh yes 2G

Because its the only thing the marketing departments understand, and they're all trying to poach customers from the competition.

Maybe so, but there are a lot of people like myself who are not bothered about going faster, so we see no point in changing.

in the years to come it is likely there will be no FTTC and in the same way 4G will go and 5G (and whatever comes next) will replace it. Just go with the flow.

The old go with the flow thing, just the same as I am told when I don't want to use self scans or scan and shop, just go with the flow and become like sheep.
Sorry, but that is the truth, people are becoming like sheep.

I will not use a product or a service just because other people do, I have never done that, and I never will. As you say in time FTTC will not be available, when that time comes and i am still around and still on FTTC then I will see what is available, but they need to have shorter contracts.
As for 5G, again we will see what happens when I/if eventually change my phone, but I am in no rush to change my phone. I will keep it for another 10 years if it keeps working.,

Building penetration is nothing to do with the G, and all to do with frequency and the building construction. If 4G was on that high frequency it would have the same problems.

I know that, I know all about shorter wave lengths bouncing off buildings, even in the days of CB radio when we use 934Mhz radios, we had to get the aerial as high as we can to try to stop the signal bouncing into buildings and hills. If we had problems at a lowly 934Mhz, then the frequencies that are used for 5G must have one hell of a problem

MediaTek, Qualcomm and the chinese modem/radio vendors are at the point where 3G/4G/5G will be in all the chips. So you may or may not be lucky finding something that is 4G only.

As i said, still being sold at the moment.

Here in my town we only have 5G in two tiny pools from Three. The rest of the town has great coverage from Vodafone and EE, and passable from O2. So most people here just forget about 5G. It will come in time.

5G is here, but the coverage is not as good as they make it out to be, the coverage maps lie, no doubt to make it sound like 5G is great, just a shame people buy a new phone and then realise how bad 5G is. That is why people turn 5G off.

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

In reply to a post by jchamier:

showing/hiding menu options based on a set of options in the SIM is well established on both Android and iPhone.

Not sure how they can do it if it is in a different menu.

Because you could have more than one area of the settings that respond to data set by the mobile carrier.

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

The problem is even 4G can still be iffy in some parts and I have known my phone fall back to 3G, so what is it going to fall back to when they get rid of 3GH? Oh yes 2G

They aren't just ripping 3G out and not replacing it. The carriers still "own" the frequencies that they were using for 3G, so they will then use that capacity for 4G or 5G.

In reply to a post by jchamier:

I'm guessing this is your 4G mast:
https://goo.gl/maps/w97TV7kMqLqNoUhH6

I can't see a mast at the other postcode, but Google maps isn't great at this anyway. (they're too small from top down).

No, this is vodafone 4G mast. My 4G mast right there hidden behind trees in Parkway that belong to Three network below links

Can see the Parkway mast in March 2009: https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.6376798,-2.4626427...

and June 2022: (awful more trees can block the mobile signal https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.637658,-2.4626239,...

Edited by adslmax (Sun 12-Mar-23 18:07:57)

In reply to a post by andynormancx:

Because you could have more than one area of the settings that respond to data set by the mobile carrier.

My O2 PAYG SIM disables the 5G option on my android phones.

They aren't just ripping 3G out and not replacing it. The carriers still "own" the frequencies that they were using for 3G, so they will then use that capacity for 4G or 5G.

Exactly, the 3G has moved around on O2 and Vodafone from 2.1 GHz to 0.9 GHz and now has been shrunk to the minimum possible before being turned off. On EE and Three its still on 2.1 GHz as they didn’t have any 0.9

In reply to a post by andynormancx:

Because you could have more than one area of the settings that respond to data set by the mobile carrier.

Well we will see, but I think it will be a few years before they do that.

They aren't just ripping 3G out and not replacing it. The carriers still "own" the frequencies that they were using for 3G, so they will then use that capacity for 4G or 5G.

I realise that, but 5G is still rubbish here.