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WE have to remember this, 5G hate heavy rain or heavy snow will result no signal or loss of signal.
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WE have to remember this, 5G hate heavy rain or heavy snow will result no signal or loss of signal.
Not remotely true for good technical reasons.
Higher frequencies have more of an issue through heavy rain and snow, such as the mmWave (used in the USA) which is around 28 Gigahertz and really only useful in their super large sports stadiums.
5G in the UK (and Europe) is on 700 MHz, 900 MHz, 2100 MHz (2.1 GHz) and upto 2.6 GHz, which are ALSO used for 4G.
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Three seem to be the one putting the effort in.
My city has decent 5G coverage already from Three, they have rightfully prioritised urban areas.
Meanwhile EE's 5G coverage is little spots of 5G here and there. Instead of being higher density than 4G, its actually much lower.
Remember EE is owned by a different company back from when they did their 4G rollout.
Edited by Chrysalis (Fri 14-Apr-23 15:12:51)
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All 4 networks have different strategies. Three spent a lot of money buying high frequency spectrum, some from auction, but also from buying up UK Broadband/Relish. This gave them a block of 100 MHz and a separate 40 MHz block, in the C-band. This is known as Band n78 in the jargon (N = New Radio the technology for 5G, different to L78 which is for LTE the technology for 4G).
The various frequency bands used around the world for 5G NR is here, there are a lot:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5G_NR_frequency_bands
Three are the only UK network with a 100 MHz wide block, so they are putting in the investment to make this high frequency, and hence short range, reach homes and businesses. Some vloggers have seen speeds over 1.1 Gbps when field testing such new masts, so there has to be some heavy backhaul (e.g. 10Gbit/sec) links installed to the masts.
The higher frequency requires a much denser 'grid' of transmission sites, than we are used to with 2G/3G/4G, where Vodafone and O2 mostly used 900 MHz for both 2G and 3G, and 800 MHz for 4G, and EE used 1800 MHz for 2G and 4G and 2100 MHz for 3G.
That is why you see a lot of these Phase 7 / Phase 8 street works monopoles being installed. Sometimes known as "Poles of Wonder" - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Mfr5nPNWG4
EE and Vodafone have spectrum at different frequencies, and are rolling out 5G using these different 'layers'; EE has some experiment sites running 6 different frequencies. They can compete, but in a different way:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDem7BYhgQc
O2 is lagging with their limíted spectrum, but also a LOT of customers, they will find it hard to compete on speeds, even if they roll out lots of small cells (as they have in London).
Customer numbers shown here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mobile_network...
A really useful list of mobile spectrum for the UK here:
https://mastdatabase.co.uk/gb/spectrum/
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Edited by jchamier (Fri 14-Apr-23 18:01:56)
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WE have to remember this, 5G hate heavy rain or heavy snow will result no signal or loss of signal.
Not true on our 5G networks, which effectively operate in the same frequency bands as previous mobile network generations.
Satellite comms and broadcast TV does suffer from this phenomenon, but it’s not really an issue for mobile phone networks.
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we've been through that on other threads, but today much of the 5G deployed is at high frequency, and the plan is to use 4G indoors. As the networks develop, lower frequencies will be moved from 3G and 4G to 5G for improved capacity. Think of 5G as adding lanes to a road, if its not congested adding lanes does nothing useful.
We will wait and see, but I always thought it is by going to the higher frequencies that allow 5G to be faster, amongst other reasons.
Makes little difference to me at the moment, I want this phone of mine to last for a few more years.
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I always thought it is by going to the higher frequencies that allow 5G to be faster And I always thought it was the bandwidth that determined speed.
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We will wait and see, but I always thought it is by going to the higher frequencies that allow 5G to be faster, amongst other reasons. Early verbal "marketing" of 5G may have been thinking of the mmWave frequencies, so far only deployed in the USA. Insane speeds, but only line of sight, e.g. stadiums, or on the same street.
Otherwise there is more capacity at higher frequencies because there is more, e.g. 700 to 800 MHz is only 100 MHz wide. But 2000 to 3000 MHz is 1000 MHz wide.... more!
When each operator really wants 100 MHz wide for "best speeds" there is more chance of this at higher frequency, but with all the other downsides, requires a dense grid of masts (expensive) and problems receiving indoors.
Makes little difference to me at the moment, I want this phone of mine to last for a few more years. My employer supplies me a phone (as they took away desk phones) and its an iPhone SE 2nd edition without 5G. Already 3 years old, I'm not sure it will work for another year, I'm hoping its replaced soon. 
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Edited by jchamier (Sun 16-Apr-23 11:33:24)
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Early verbal "marketing" of 5G may have been thinking of the mmWave frequencies, so far only deployed in the USA. Insane speeds, but only line of sight, e.g. stadiums, or on the same street.
Otherwise there is more capacity at higher frequencies because there is more, e.g. 700 to 800 MHz is only 100 MHz wide. But 2000 to 3000 MHz is 1000 MHz wide.... more!
When each operator really wants 100 MHz wide for "best speeds" there is more chance of this at higher frequency, but with all the other downsides, requires a dense grid of masts (expensive) and problems receiving indoors.
ah,ha, I see.
i knew it was not just being on higher frequencies that made it fast, thanks for the info
My employer supplies me a phone (as they took away desk phones) and its an iPhone SE 2nd edition without 5G. Already 3 years old, I'm not sure it will work for another year, I'm hoping its replaced soon.
They have taken a few desk phones out at work, I presume because they are getting old and keep breaking down. They do have cordless phones., but mainly for managers. I don't use the phones much, maybe to phone a depot to see what have happened to the lorry.
a phone should in theory work for years, the main problem with phones is the battery over a few years. My old Nexus 4 still works fine, but the battery lasts for about 4 hours, I am thinking of taking it to work for music in the loading bay, it will be fine for that, I can either stick a power pack on it or plug it into the mains. We have a bluetooth speaker in the bay.
The Huawie p10 lite I had before my Oppo the usb socket broke on it, plus the battery again was losing charge. The other problem with smartphones is support, after a while they lose security updates.
I had a problem choosing a phone the last time because to be honest I don't like the new phones that much, so it will be worse when I have to choose another one. My problem with phones and this also includes my Oppo, is the size of them and the silly screen ratio. I liked my old Huawei because it was compact.
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When 5g was announced and then rolled out we were told we would have lightning fast speeds of 100mbps+ and would open up the potential for unrestricted video calls which would help many businesses.
5G has indeed been announced, but nowhere in the UK has full standalone 5G been rolled out. That's why you're not seeing the benefits.
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