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pluralist
(knowledge is power) Mon 20-Nov-23 09:26:09

Re: Isnt 5g supposed to be really fast?

[re: Chrysalis] [link to this post]

Bear in mind also that on this 5G NSA that most of us can have, the upstream is still always 4G. That's the basic problem.

Connections: OnePlus 8 Pro on Three 4+ (LTE)/5G and at home Three Mobile, with (Three)ZTE MF286D router giving about 113/20Mbps.

jchamier
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Mon 20-Nov-23 11:15:31

Re: Isnt 5g supposed to be really fast?

[re: Chrysalis] [link to this post]

In reply to a post by Chrysalis:
Seems a little bit complex, so if I understand you right me seeing the same band for both doesnt matter, as extra band's open up if I push enough traffic?

I've seen that happen on Three using my Android phone. With "NSA" the phone sits on 4G and only uses 5G when it needs it. Some phones have options to force using 5G more often, but one reason for this is to save battery.

I have now reported the slow speeds to EE without mentioning the 4G/5G stuff, and made it very clear it is back to full speed during quiet periods but tumbles like a stone outside of those hours, and it used to be full speed or close to full speed round the clock so a clear service degradation.

We had that during the first lockdown, speeds of 80 Mbps before dropped to 0.5 Mbps. EE was able to add capacity electronically, but eventually by mid 2021 they replaced the transmitter panels on the local mast and that oepend up a LOT more capacity. All 4G. No sign of 5G here on EE or Vodafone or O2.

Later I will see if I can switch apps whilst a speedtest is running and screen record it.

Depending on how much download allowance you have a large file from thinkbroadband may be another way to test.

_{23 years of broadband connectivity since 1999 trial - Live BQM}

Taras
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Mon 20-Nov-23 13:19:25

Re: Isnt 5g supposed to be really fast?

[re: pluralist] [link to this post]

We have to always factor in congestion, which can happen on the 4g spectrum quite easily plus 3 at night switch off alot of their bands to save money .

jchamier
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Mon 20-Nov-23 14:08:39

Re: Isnt 5g supposed to be really fast?

[re: Taras] [link to this post]

In reply to a post by Taras:
We have to always factor in congestion, which can happen on the 4g spectrum quite easily plus 3 at night switch off alot of their bands to save money .

EE have an entire mast here (on the telephone exchange) that powers down overnight.

Congestion was much worse on 3G, as it just stops. On 4G at least things keep working just slower and slower... smile

_{23 years of broadband connectivity since 1999 trial - Live BQM}

adslmax
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Mon 20-Nov-23 15:57:56

Re: Isnt 5g supposed to be really fast?

[re: Chrysalis] [link to this post]

5G are suppose to be less congestion in network area but never does! Most people disabled 5G and get better signal on 4G

Edited by adslmax (Mon 20-Nov-23 15:58:28)

jchamier
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Mon 20-Nov-23 16:16:00

Re: Isnt 5g supposed to be really fast?

[re: adslmax] [link to this post]

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5G are suppose to be less congestion in network area but never does! Most people disabled 5G and get better signal on 4G

You're confused, better capacity when there is the same/similar amount of radio spectrum allocated.

_{23 years of broadband connectivity since 1999 trial - Live BQM}

Chrysalis
(legend) Wed 22-Nov-23 16:03:59

Re: Isnt 5g supposed to be really fast?

[re: jchamier] [link to this post]

Problem investigated with no problems found SMS reply from EE.

Following data is with 5G enabled on phone and 5G icon.

What i could get in cellmapper in time I had before test ended.

All tagged as unknown -LTE

1846mhz
1861mhz
2162mhz
2662mhz

Speedtest result 8.55am 121 down 56 up
9.47am 95.1 down 63 up
10.22am 118 down 70 up

Was busy for a while.

15.57pm 22 down upload failed to finish, error in app
15.59pm 14 down upload failed to finish, error in app
16:00pm 18 down upload failed to finish, error in app

With phone set to 4G, it now flat lines at around 10mbit after an initial spike, wont lie it looks like a throttle. Upload test still fails.

Going to do some testing to one of my servers, and see if rwin or something is getting modified by some shapers.

VM Gig1 - AAISP L2TP

Edited by Chrysalis (Wed 22-Nov-23 16:08:05)

jchamier
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Wed 22-Nov-23 16:13:14

Re: Isnt 5g supposed to be really fast?

[re: Chrysalis] [link to this post]

In reply to a post by Chrysalis:
All tagged as unknown -LTE
1846mhz - Band 3
1861mhz - Band 3
2162mhz - Band 1
2662mhz - Band 7

You can see here which protocols are run on which frequencies by each network operator - https://mastdatabase.co.uk/gb/spectrum/

LTE for all means you are NOT receiving a 5G signal, you should get "NR" as the protocol. So as in my first reply the "5G indicator is lying" to you.

_{23 years of broadband connectivity since 1999 trial - Live BQM}

Chrysalis
(legend) Wed 22-Nov-23 17:21:49

Re: Isnt 5g supposed to be really fast?

[re: jchamier] [link to this post]

Yeah thanks for confirming my thoughts, although I wouldnt be bothered if 4g was working normally.

I have noticed as well, its not just a speedtest thing, using apps and such, I am getting missing images and very visible lag over mobile data (at this time of the day) when in months past I wouldnt have this issue.

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E300
(committed) Wed 22-Nov-23 17:50:12

Re: Isnt 5g supposed to be really fast?

[re: Chrysalis] [link to this post]

This reminds me of when 4G was released, it was more reliable and obtained faster speeds telling the phone to stick with 3G, I did this for I'm not sure how long, maybe a couple of years, before 4G had matured enough to not only be reliable and faster but also was able to handle voice calls.

5G is just exactly the same, I've disabled it and sticking with 4G. Once 5G has matured enough to be able to handle voice calls like you might expect a mobile signal to do from the outset, then that usually means its good enough to use daily, of course by then 6G will be around the corner and I'm sure I will do exactly the same thing, stick with the previous version for some time.

The main issue is marketing, they want people to upgrade perfectly good phones and one way to do that is to come out with the next version, so they just rush it half finished to market.

We are probably 3 or 4 years away from wide availability of a finished 5G version, which is 5G standalone.

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