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jchamier
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Fri 24-Nov-23 18:47:15

Re: Isnt 5g supposed to be really fast?

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No O2 sim, I dont think cellmapper is particularly user friendly to use so not keen on diving back into the app again.

mobile networks are a complete industry of their own. Cellmapper is best when it reports to the web page, crowd sourcing, as the web is easier to use.

In reply to a post by Chrysalis:
I did screenshot it and read from the screenshot, the 2162 is RX frequency and 1972 TX frequency.

Confirmed as an O2 signal, if you're not an O2 customer your phone is ignoring.

In reply to a post by Chrysalis:
MCC MNC TAC all had ? so is it possible it was just reporting a detected band within range but not connected? Its one of the many that appeared when speedtest ran.

With ?? I think that means its a signal the phone is receiving but it can't decode the MCC (Mobile country code) or MNC (Mobile Network Code) or TAC (internal deployment region) for the signal as it is not the same network as the SIM in the phone.

MCC in the UK is always 234, the MNC is the next two digits, as follows:

234-10 = O2
234-30 = EE (where 30 was old T-Mobile, and 33 was old Orange)
234-15 = Vodafone
234-20 = Three

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Edited by jchamier (Fri 24-Nov-23 18:48:48)

Chrysalis
(legend) Fri 24-Nov-23 19:06:04

Re: Isnt 5g supposed to be really fast?

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Only the first band wasnt ??

The rest all had ? and also only appeared during the speedtest, thats why I reported them as I was asked to report new ones that appeared during the test.

So the only one not as a ? was 1846 RX and 1751 TX. The first one. MCC 234 MNC 30 TAC 25xxx. smile

VM Gig1 - AAISP L2TP

Edited by Chrysalis (Fri 24-Nov-23 19:09:16)

jchamier
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Fri 24-Nov-23 19:40:56

Re: Isnt 5g supposed to be really fast?

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So the only one not as a ? was 1846 RX and 1751 TX. The first one. MCC 234 MNC 30 TAC 25xxx.

1846 / 1751 is the 1800 band, known as Band 3. Pretty much mostly used by EE. 234-30 shows it is EE.

Band list here shows the downlink and uplink ranges:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LTE_frequency_bands

Nothing stopping EE from using Band 3 for 5G NR, other than a lot of customers without 5G ready handsets whom would no longer get a good usable 4G signal.

If you go to cellmapper.net and find your location, you can choose a network and then see the cell sites nearby that have been picked up by other users. Most sites are three sectors, clicking on a site will show you the coverage, but also the frequencies deployed by that network on that site.

Some might say 5G ENDC which means a 5G signal is around in the area. 5G NR coverage can't be plotted in Non-Standalone Architecture mode as the signalling is carried over 4G LTE - finding the actual mast with 5G is a case of either trying to eyeball the actual antenna or testing speeds in areas with 5G logo outdoors!

5G bands are named with n in front, so band n3 would be 5G NR signal on the 1800 band:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5G_NR_frequency_bands

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Edited by jchamier (Fri 24-Nov-23 19:43:09)

Chrysalis
(legend) Fri 24-Nov-23 20:40:44

Re: Isnt 5g supposed to be really fast?

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Ok both the two nearest cell sites to me say '5G ENDC Available Yes', nearly all the ones within mile are.

Most cell sites are 1,3,7 with some 1,3,7,20, mine is the only one within 5 miles thats just 3. Mine has only 3 cells listed, the rest are at least 20.

Can I block a cell site from being used so it picks one of the other larger ones further away? I am thinking more cells probably means more backhaul?

VM Gig1 - AAISP L2TP

Edited by Chrysalis (Fri 24-Nov-23 21:04:24)

jchamier
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Sat 25-Nov-23 10:55:09

Re: Isnt 5g supposed to be really fast?

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Ok both the two nearest cell sites to me say '5G ENDC Available Yes', nearly all the ones within mile are.

Good news means 5G is active somewhere nearby, and is probably why the 5G indicator is lit. It is possible these cells could have 5G added in the next few months too.

Most cell sites are 1,3,7 with some 1,3,7,20, mine is the only one within 5 miles thats just 3. Mine has only 3 cells listed, the rest are at least 20.

May be an older infill site that has slower backhaul network connection.

Can I block a cell site from being used so it picks one of the other larger ones further away? I am thinking more cells probably means more backhaul?

Not without some very specialist / expensive low level software for Android that needs root and only supports some chipsets. Its very complex...! The free version shows various things, but to do something such as tell the phone to ignore a cell is really against the design of mobile phone networks. I'm pretty sure NSG could do this (it seems to do most things) but a lot of the control stuff is in the paid version. Expensive monthly.

Network Signal Guru
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.qt...

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RR_The_IT_Guy
(committed) Sat 25-Nov-23 12:22:30

Re: Isnt 5g supposed to be really fast?

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Most cell sites are 1,3,7 with some 1,3,7,20, mine is the only one within 5 miles that's just 3. Mine has only 3 cells listed, the rest are at least 20.
May be an older infill site that has slower backhaul network connection.

This has been an interesting read, mainly because my area's masts seem to also be Band 3's, I have 3 Band 3 masts directly around me. and then a load of band 20 masts scattered around.

Admittedly most my mast sites are Orange locations and the one that was next to the house was taken down unfortunately, but that was 3G only short range. Now we just struggle with intermittent coverage and 5G which depending which room or side of the house your in could be 10Mbps or 150Mbps.

Sometimes lower, sometimes higher.

Seems most the sites are 5MHz bandwidth with the odd 10.

To be honest they need to add another site as the area is adding / building an additional 10,000+ houses and that certainly won't help with the existing mast site that is covering the whole area currently.

Problem is that all proposals for new masts keep getting declined by locals, I don't know why they are so opposed of flagpole masts, they are barely noticeable

One on BT Exchange with Band 1, and one near high density areas with band 1

Funnily enough around here Vodafone only have band 20 which contrasts to O2 which is primarily Band 40 with the odd Band 1 in those areas and some 3 and 20 in the areas without.

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Chrysalis
(legend) Sat 25-Nov-23 21:03:41

Re: Isnt 5g supposed to be really fast?

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BOOM

Network Signal Guru free version installed.
Selected band 7 and deselected all other bands.

Now on a more distant cell weak signal.

Speedtest on EE at around 9pm 34 down 4.6 up.

Not great but certainly better than my local cell.

Since my cell only has band 3 its easy to force another by forbidding band 3. I suspect if I was local to the other cell tower I would be getting band 3 and 7 bonded for even more speed right?

Added bands 1 and 20 now as well although it didnt speed it up further..

1p matches the EE throughput on this other cell. So weak signal might be keeping it down on this one? I will see later if off peak affects the speed of it.

Network signal guru I think is a lot more user friendly than cellmapper, some info from it on this other mast.

2 sessions, one is 100/100 the other is 60/60.
The 60/60 is ims apn, and 100/100 everywhere apn.
QPSK modulation 15mhz width. Occasionally changing to QAM16 modulation.
Whenever it changes to QAM16 error rate is over 30%, is 0% on QPSK.
Currently connected to band 1 2100mhz 2x2 mode

Final update I did some testing outside, freezing so was brief.
Band 1 went up to around 70mbit down, 7 45mbit, band 20 only a couple of mbit.
My local mast band 3 has no performance difference indoors or outdoors is max signal all the time, and currently is testing about 5-10mbit on EE, and over 100 on 1p.

VM Gig1 - AAISP L2TP

Edited by Chrysalis (Sat 25-Nov-23 21:27:12)

jchamier
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Sun 26-Nov-23 11:51:15

Re: Isnt 5g supposed to be really fast?

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currently is testing about 5-10mbit on EE, and over 100 on 1p.

That looks like a price plan throttle then. No idea why if 1p can give 100, you'd think it would be load related it would also throttle the cheap MVNO !!

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Chrysalis
(legend) Sun 26-Nov-23 15:59:43

Re: Isnt 5g supposed to be really fast?

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Funny enough I was going to post I wonder if its like entanet's old STM its dependent on load on the cell, as I am pretty sure another day it slowed down before 5pm, and one evening it was fine at 9pm. (by fine I mean no weird almost no throughput upstream and at least above 20mbit down).

Also that the EE/1P differential doesnt seem evident or as evident on the other cells.

The 1P package is uncapped. It would be weird if that was slower than EE essentials I think. EE essentials also can be had for cheaper than 1P at least on my retention deal, I have 125 gig for £15. £15 gets you 50 gig on 1P.

But of course what I can do on 1P is pay for like a £5 sim every month, and if I find I need traffic one month, just buy a booster for that month. Harder to do that on EE as their min baseline prices for sim only are much higher.

VM Gig1 - AAISP L2TP

Edited by Chrysalis (Sun 26-Nov-23 16:09:15)

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