for such a short link get any 15M/20M cable and attempt to use that without taking the ends off, then fill the holes in the wall in. I also would recommend having this in a 'pipe' and use the correct wall sealent.

In reply to a post by iand:

for such a short link get any 15M/20M cable and attempt to use that without taking the ends off, then fill the holes in the wall in. I also would recommend having this in a 'pipe' and use the correct wall sealent.

Ive decided im going to be using face plates at each end for neatness so the ends need to come off anyway lol , Its better to have a neat little box than a wire sticking out of a hole in the wall

Ash

Edited by acpsd775 (Tue 17-Apr-12 19:51:35)

any suggestions on how to avoid right angle bends ? I need to do a similar thing as the original poster. going from BT master socket down stairs to where main PC and router etc based upstairs, however shape of out side of house is like below:


-outside-| << upstairs main modem, router, PC etc
-outside-|__
-outside----|
-outside----| << downstairs BT master socket

I can see the need for quite a few turns there in any cable.

Any help appreciated

Afternoon Ian

Assuming you are running basic cable without ends on, slide suitable lengths of semi-flexible tubing such as for car windscreen washers, on to the cable as you reach each corner.

Each bit of tube should be around 6 inches (150 mm) and anchored towards the ends only on a simple, single-corner bend, about 1 inch (25 mm) in from the tube ends.

On that basis, the assembly will loop out at an external corner slightly, looking slightly untidy.

On an internal corner, it will be scarcely noticed.



Judging by your diagarm, you may have close double-bends, internal followed almost immediately by external.

Adjust the tube length accordingly.

Again anchor about one inch in from each end, with one or more additional anchors on the intermediate stretch.


If the cable already has plugs on it, slit the tube along its length, preferably on a slow helix, so that it tends to close over the cable. You may find some insulation tape helps.


You may also be able to "hide" the cable by taking advantage of existing aspects, such as down-pipes.


If the cable is distinctly different in colour and "exposed", try spraying with a garden ornament/flower tub type of paint of suitable colour.

I used a white/grey/black, flecked version on my cable.



If the cable has to go through a wall, drill the hole to take the tubing if without plugs.

Alternatively if with plugs already on, drill the hole large enough to take a standard diameter piece of conduit, about 23 mm if I remember correctly.

I have done this for the cables from various meteorological instruments in the garden and on the roof, with a standard double-outlet box on the inside, which is large enough to take the smallish, multiple-way junction box, with a single lead to connect onwards to the controller-memory unit interfacing to the PC.

eckiedoo do you mean something like this:

windscreen wiper tube

and I assume only using on the bends ?

I was planning on wiring one end do the IDC connections behind splitter at BT master socket then going to a face plate on internal wall upsatirs to connect using a patch cable to modem.

I understand i need shielded solid core cat5e cable for use externally. any recommendations for suppliers where I don't have to buy 300m but just the approx length i need??

That tubing looks fine (apart from colour!), assuming it will slip on readily.

Without searching, I'm sure that you can get cheaper; or try scrapped cars etc.

Yes, at bends only.

Regarding cable, again I'm sure that you could get shorter lengths from electronic stores, possibly even your local computer store.

BUT remember to buy about 10% more than your measured length - otherwise ...



Regarding specific routing, also check if you could follow the cement between courses, if such structure and visible. This would allow you to remove cement at external corners and lay the tube/cable in, avoiding/minimising protruding loops.

Shielding is not really the issue, but the material that is used for the outer covering.

External Grade CAT5e will not go brittle in the sunshine (when we get some)
http://www.run-it-direct.co.uk/CAT5ecable20ME.html (probably cheaper out there if you look harder, but they do less than a drum)

Shielded is really more for where people think they will need to protect it, and really they should be looking for an armoured variant if they think it might suffer strimmer type attacks.

Should add an Health and Safety note, keep the amount of external grade running inside the property to a minimum, as in a fire the external grade can give off toxic fumes. Hence why most people run it outside and back in terminating at a socket at each end, with internal patch wiring to connect the devices.

FS cables http://www.fscables.com/Data/Structured+Wiring+Cable...

They will supply by the metre ... Weatherproof external Cat5e is 27p/metre, Twin Jacketed Duct Grade 49p and Cat6 Duct Grade 51p + VAT. They do have a £25 MOV but are a good and reputable company to deal with.

Thanks for the suggestions guys. I find the FS website a bit confusing, and I can't find the prices anywhere. Is it only phone orders? By MOV you mean Minimum Order Value ?

Also I'm now a bit confused.

This face plate Master socket splitter allows me to split the signal at source. I understand I only need to use connections A+B for the ADSL signal, which means I'd only be using one of the four pairs in the CAT 5e cable. Is this correct? If so am I overdoing it by using CAT 5e cable? Could i just use a good quailty telephone line cable? Or would the fact i need to route it outside mean i should go with the external grade CAT 5e ? The face plate at the "target" destination would be required to have an RJ11 socket so I can then use another CAT5e cable with RJ11 connectors to connect to my modem ?

If I did only use one pair from the CAT5e cable then I assume a could use another one of the pairs to connect to the telphone extension connections 2+5 at the face plate and route a telephone extension to the same "target" face plate ?

Any guidance much appreciated.

Thanks..
Ian

The FS cables site does not have prices as they vary "by customer" - the prices I quote are for small order customers, as a regular, I would get a discount on those and some will get large discounts.

As you want to go outside you MUST use an external cable. To extend just the DSL signal side, you could use a good quality CW1128/1198 (phone cable) but that will normally be 2 or 3 pair and not much cheaper. Stay with Cat5e and yes you can use one pair for data and one pair for voice and if you really wanted you could use the other two pair to provide a LAN connection close to the master.

Edited by MHC (Sun 11-Nov-12 20:33:22)