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Standard User yarwell
(sensei) Wed 06-Feb-13 09:36:19
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Re: Sheilded F/UTP grounding


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Even under worst-case, ungrounded conditions, the UTP cable behaves more like an antenna than the F/UTP cable!


so unshlelded UTP is worse than foil shielded because it acts more like an antenna, even when it's ungrounded. Am I reading that correctly ?

In which case shielded is better, but earthing it isn't critical ?

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Standard User Dash
(regular) Wed 06-Feb-13 10:01:48
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Re: Sheilded F/UTP grounding


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That's my take on it. But given that you only need to ground one end, that shouldn't be difficult either.

There is a lot of talk about ground loops - but in a domestic environment you're likely to have a common route to ground and earth, so even if you were shielded fully that shouldn't be an issue?

Still, I think I've made my mind up - providing when the time comes there is still not much in the difference between F/UTP and UTP then I'll go for the former for my wall wiring - and this time round I'm going to use ducting. My current house has the issue that if I needed to change a dodgy cable I would have to pull the plaster off the walls.
Moderator billford
(moderator) Wed 06-Feb-13 10:02:35
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Re: Sheilded F/UTP grounding


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In reply to a post by yarwell:
In which case shielded is better, but earthing it isn't critical ?
It's a Faraday cage:
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The shield of a screened cable, such as USB cables or the coaxial cable used for cable television, protects the internal conductors from external electrical noise and prevents the RF signals from leaking out.


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Standard User Dash
(regular) Wed 06-Feb-13 10:54:16
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Re: Sheilded F/UTP grounding


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The difference is coax and usb are grounded through the end-device (PC/TV grounding etc).
Moderator billford
(moderator) Wed 06-Feb-13 11:00:22
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Re: Sheilded F/UTP grounding


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Doesn't matter. A Faraday cage doesn't have to be grounded in order to work. All that's required is that it's a good conductor (steel armouring isn't very good for that) and that any holes in it are small compared to the wavelengths you're trying to screen out (or in).

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Moderator billford
(moderator) Wed 06-Feb-13 11:32:35
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I should perhaps expand a bit on my previous post... in general it is a good idea to connect screens to earth, but this is largely a safety measure. If a fault provides an "unauthorised" connection between the screen and the power supply, a floating screen can be at a high voltage (depending on the voltages used) even if the fault is high resistance, and the capacitance of the cable can provide a dangerous level of shock if touched.

Obviously this isn't usually a problem at typical computer voltages, but it can be if it's used in hazardous environments (eg explosive gases present).

If it's a more serious, low resistance fault it will draw attention to the fact that something needs looking at by tripping out the power supply.

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