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Standard User jabuzzard
(committed) Tue 22-Oct-19 11:28:05
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Re: DNS issues - is it my isp or my network


[re: ian72] [link to this post]
 
You can ping the broadcast address, try it smile

I am not aware of any routing protocol that allows one to route actual useful data packets to a broadcast address. Put another way how does the router route a packet to the network broadcast address? The next address range up (91.0.0.0/12) is owned by Deutsche Telekom AG so Vodafone are not combining net assignments.

You can test this quite simply I can ping the broadcast address, but the moment I try and connect for a DNS query I get a no route to host error.

[root@buzzard ~]# ping -c 3 90.255.255.255
PING 90.255.255.255 (90.255.255.255) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from 90.255.255.255: icmp_seq=1 ttl=54 time=6.65 ms
64 bytes from 90.255.255.255: icmp_seq=2 ttl=54 time=6.56 ms
64 bytes from 90.255.255.255: icmp_seq=3 ttl=54 time=6.62 ms

--- 90.255.255.255 ping statistics ---
3 packets transmitted, 3 received, 0% packet loss, time 2002ms
rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 6.562/6.613/6.652/0.037 ms
[root@buzzard ~]# telnet 90.255.255.255 53
Trying 90.255.255.255...
telnet: connect to address 90.255.255.255: No route to host

It looks like a mistake from Vodafone to me. I guess they could have done something special with their routers to make it work but it would not be standards compliant I think. Technically I think a UDP request on port 53 to 90.255.255.255 might be forwarded to all hosts the network with one or more responding. However it's highly none standard and would like break a lot of software not least because you can perfectly legitimately do DNS over TCP.

Personally all I take from my ISP is my IP address (which is actually fixed), network and gateway. The rest they can take a running jump.

Easiest just change it to something else anyway IMHO.
Standard User ian72
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Tue 22-Oct-19 13:54:55
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Re: DNS issues - is it my isp or my network


[re: jabuzzard] [link to this post]
 
I've just used an internet tracert tool and can trace the route to 90.255.255.255 just fine. Are you sure it isn't the difference between LAN and WAN - you can do broadcast packets over a LAN but I am not sure you can over a WAN - the fact these are public WAN IPs means that the routers likely don't treat it as a broadcast address as it wouldn't make any sense to do so - therefore the address is available for allocation.
Standard User jchamier
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Tue 22-Oct-19 16:55:31
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Re: DNS issues - is it my isp or my network


[re: jabuzzard] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by jabuzzard:
You can ping the broadcast address, try it smile

That works better if you have a unix or linux based OS (e.g. macOS) than on Windows smile

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Standard User prlzx
(experienced) Tue 22-Oct-19 21:55:03
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Re: DNS issues - is it my isp or my network


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90.255.255.255 is not a broadcast address (whois, using a tool which knows how to lookup IP assignments not just domains).

Vodafone have assigned all of 90.255.255.0/24 to anycast services, so a connection to an IP in this range is routed to the "best" of a group of hosts based on topology / geography or any other reasonable criteria (the exact method does not matter).

I won't go into a full explanation of anycast addressing here (one can readily find technical descriptions) suffice to say, for a client it won't really see any difference from connecting to a unicast address.

BTW just because an IP is pingable doesn't dictate which other protocols or services a given host will be offering or be reachable though the provider's firewall.
And telnet, while possible to hand-craft connecting to services which reply using human-readable text such as SMTP, will really only tell you about connecting to TCP ports which is not what vanilla DNS* uses . There are more generic tools for TCP/UDP and other protocols (e.g. nc, nmap and "port scanners").

Although I am arbitrarily replying to a post, this is more a general reply to the thread as a whole.

(*) not withstanding extensions such as EDNS and DNSSEC which do!



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Edited by prlzx (Tue 22-Oct-19 22:00:28)

Standard User mrmarktigger
(regular) Wed 23-Oct-19 17:27:17
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Re: DNS issues - is it my isp or my network


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I'm currently with Vodafone FTTC. Vodafone's DNS servers go down regularly.
So I manually set my router to use google DNS 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4
Never had a DNS problem since then.
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