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Standard User simoncox
(newbie) Sun 23-Oct-22 16:38:23
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Any Brawband or Brillband experiences?


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I am currently on Virgin Media's 1 Gig offering but in the past month or so CityFibre have been at work in mine and adjoining streets so I'm hoping in the not too distant future I may have some proper FTTP options becoming available to me. Although it is not yet available to order (just says coming soon on the CityFibre checker), looking at the thinkbroadband map I can see some other areas of Glasgow are already active and when I checked a random address in an area that appears active the CityFibre site gave the following providers as options:

- TalkTalk
- Vodafone
- Zen
- Brawband
- DigitalHome
- Brillband

I am working on the basis that as and when I am able to order it is likely to be from these same providers.

I have seen various (horror) stories about the usual suspects of TT/Zen/Voda on CF, but i've not seen much about the other ones. Brawband appears very expensive and by the look of things doesn't support 3rd party routers (which ideally I would like to do without a double-NAT setup). Has anyone had any experience of Brillband or Brawband? The trustpilot reviews for DigitalHome did not look promising so I've ruled them out already!

I am planning to use my UDM directly - I gather there used to be issues with PPPoE connections and UDM/UDMPro but looks like they are largely resolved now. I know TalkTalk use DHCP instead and allow 3rd party routers so they are one option, but from what I can tell their general network performance is not likely to be great. I gather Zen have similar network performance issues (and use PPPoE) so Vodafone is the main one I am considering at the moment - though it does appear there are a lot of issues getting the service installed in the first place with them and CF!
Standard User DavidR1974
(newbie) Fri 20-Jan-23 15:19:33
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Brillband review.

Our experience started off great.

We emailed before ordering to enquire about their router (how many LAN ports, Wi-Fi version etc.) and they were quick to advise of a Netgear WAX202, and pointed out that this would be changing in the near future, but were unable to advise of what it would be at the time.

We were called within a few minutes of placing the order to arrange an installation date, and received email tracking a few days later for the router.

When the router arrived, that's when the issues started.

1. It was an Eero 6 (not pro or plus) which has less LAN ports than the Netgear model we were advised of before ordering.

2. The Eero 6 is not suitable for connections over 500 Mbps, and we were signed up to the 900 Mbps service.

We contacted Brillband to raise the issues, and they agreed to send us the Netgear model (which was not delivered until after the CityFibre installation was completed) but insisted the standard Eero 6 was fine, despite Eero's own website stating otherwise (Scroll to "Which Eero is right for you").

3. The Netgear router was “locked” so we could not change the default SSID and password for Wi-Fi to allow our inaccessible Smart plugs/devices to connect. Thinking it was a previously used router, we factory reset the router, so we could set it up. We later learned that it was Brillband themselves who locked it.

4. The Netgear router had a weaker Wi-Fi signal than the Eero 6.

5. Speed tests were giving erratic results, both within the router and on various Speed testing websites (NOTE: the tests were performed via a PC connected via Ethernet).

Given the issues with the Netgear router, we plugged back in the Eero 6. Speed tests were stable at 940 Mbps.

6. Despite the Eero 6 having a stronger Wi-Fi signal, we still have Wi-Fi dead zones within our property, leaving a number of our inaccessible Smart plugs/devices unable to be used. We need a mesh system.

7. We asked Brillband for relevant details to allow our newly purchased mesh system to connect to the internet. Their T&Cs (Section 3.6) state that we can use our own equipment, but need to use the “Brillband router in order to display speed information on the Brillband Broadband app” (which we have been unable to find). It took them a few days and a follow-up email to give us details because the agent “forgot”.

8. The new mesh system would not connect, and thinking it was faulty due to the error message from the system, we sent it back to the retailer, and got another system.

9. The second system also would not connect, so we emailed Brillband again, asking them to call us, so they could walk us through setting up the mesh system with the details needed to connect (in case there were settings they forgot to advise of).

10. 24 hours later, and no call was received, but we got an email asking to rate the advisors. We replied advising we were not happy as not yet resolved, and as we were still within the cooling-off period, we were considering cancelling on the basis that their equipment is not suitable for the service they provide (no other provider supplies a standard Eero 6 on speeds of 500 Mbps and over). A short time later, we got a call advising that they had escalated to their technical team, and they would escalate again.

11. Another 24 hours later, and still no call.

We are approaching the end of our cooling-off period, and seriously considering cancelling the service to move to a different provider.

As the new Ofcom rules for 1 touch switching do not come into effect until March 2023, we will be without internet for a while, even though we would be switching to another provider on the CityFibre network.

Our advice, whilst Brillband continue to supply equipment that is not suitable for their service, do not sign up with them.
Standard User DavidR1974
(newbie) Fri 20-Jan-23 17:12:18
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UPDATE.

We were finally called by the technical team. They blamed our equipment (3 different brands and models tried) and are adamant that the standard Eero 6 is fine for a Gigabit service when used as a router, but do acknowledge that as the Eero 6 does not support Ethernet back-haul during mesh use, it will affect the Wi-Fi speeds and be only suitable for up to 500 Mbps.

They suggested using our mesh system in Access Point/Bridge mode connected to the Eero, but this will not only create more Wi-Fi signals (as Eero do not allow disabling of Wi-Fi) possibly creating Wi-Fi congestion issues, but will also use more electricity, when we are trying to use less (especially in this current economic climate).

They advised they can see other customers are using 3rd party equipment with no issues, but when asked if they can suggest a mesh system that works on their service (other than Eero due to the high cost of the Eero 6+ and Eero 6 Pro systems), they refused.

They then made an outrageous claim that Vodafone costs £100 per month, when they only charge £30 per month for their Gigabit service, or £40 a month if you take their Wi-Fi 6E plus booster service.

As such, we have decided to cancel, and go with a different provider.


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Standard User Pheasant
(knowledge is power) Fri 20-Jan-23 18:00:17
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In reply to a post by DavidR1974:
As the new Ofcom rules for 1 touch switching do not come into effect until March 2023, we will be without internet for a while, even though we would be switching to another provider on the CityFibre network.

Unfortunately that date has been kicked into the long grass...it's now looking like 2024 at best.

https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2023/01/new-of...
Standard User DavidR1974
(newbie) Mon 23-Jan-23 14:59:13
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NEW UPDATE

After trying yet 2 more makes/models, we have finally found one that works.

As OTS is not live yet, and the new Router mesh system is working for now, we are sticking with Brillband.

Hopefully, as more customers join their network and raise issues with the Eero 6 not being suitable for their property, Brillband will consider supplying alternative hardware that will support Gigabit speeds when a mesh is needed (ie with Ethernet back-haul support).
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