In reply to a post by fig:

Not a suprise Stupid small exchange.

You think thats bad, my exchange has over 7k lines from it and its still only on IP Stream - seems smaller exchanges are being given priority!

Edited by deleted (Thu 09-Sep-10 16:50:25)

Just signed up should be with you end of the month

Same here, not even any LLU in the county.. and again we have lost all of the 21cn rfs dates. Maybe its time OFCOM made BTW reflect the second class service on these exchanges with second class pricing, cos it seems that no one is interested in bringing us into the 21st century! Funny how the RFS dates have suddenly been withdrawn since the FTTC roll-out started - am I alone in smelling a rat here?

Any news on oswestry exchange sky has just installed llu here now. anyway matt of piggy backing there stuff so i can get faster bb even though i shouldnt complain about 5 meg just being greedy lol

Nope

TT/CPW are showing minimal port capacity on their LLU though.

Matt

ahwell worth a shot lol like i said cant complain at 5 meg

I'm not that far from you, connected to Rhos-on-Sea.

I don't think Aberconwy will get C&W LLU, but at least you have a decent alternative in the form of Sky Unlimited LLU. They finished installing their kit a few weeks back.

That's my biggest gripe with BT.

I get that they're a private company with shareholders to answer to, I get that they are profit driven, what I don't get is why I pay the same line rental charges as Joe Soap in London with an FTTC cab sitting outside his front door and a 40Mb connection.

If they can't offer me the same product choices, why do I have to pay them the same money?

Maybe if the regulator stuck it to them and ordered them to scale charges proportionate to the services being offered, there might not be so many not-spots and exchanges stuck using antiquated vanilla ADSL technology.

As a consumer I'm not interested in hearing their viability excuses. BT made £1 billion profit this year, that's not a small amount of money. I'm tired of subsidising their aggressive attempts to grab market share from LLU operators and Virgin Cable, while I make do with a tin can and string connection.

Refreshing to hear someone share this opinion.. often when raising this point you meet with "tough - move" many people cant just "move", and someone has to be here to keep the lights on and the computers humming....

I have often been treated to the tired argument about being so far out - viability etc. This area contributes plenty to the rest of the UK apart from some agriculture (not as much as 30 years ago tho) , 2 oil refineries, 2 LPG terminals providing a huge amount of the gas burned in the UK.... and soon a Power Station, and with all that is a lot of heavy "support industry", 2 ferry terminals 2 military bases and a thriving tourist industry.

Its not all hayseeds and moonshine, we have a 500 seat call centre, which when occupied by ITV Digital was employing 1200 people, so right now its running under capacity but still we are stuck with 20cn tech while many 21cn areas are now being treated to FTTC in a vain attempt to compete with LLU and cable. We have high speed links here, "Updata" serve the local authority, and the Local college (and schools?) are on the high speed JANET link, but while we local tax payers and local businesses fork out for all this we are stuck with an over priced under-performing network and are expected to feel grateful for helping to bankroll improvement after improvement elsewhere while seeing ZERO real investment to bring our local networks up to anywhere near the same standard expected by those (who often pay less) elsewhere.

I wonder how far down the road our THIRD 21cn RFS dates will be?... or will they now give up kidding us that they are ever going to stop ripping us off "because they can"? They don't understand the fact that we have waited.. and paid through the nose for the over priced BTw services - its time we saw some payback, instead we are being reamed again while NO investment is taking place for us.

Indeed, the townies are quick to espouse the alleged benefits of living in the proverbial sticks, while the reverse logic seems to escape them. Don't like the hustle & bustle of city life? Smoggy air and a mugger in every underpass? Ok, move then. Works both ways dunnit?

I'm not exactly in blair witch country. We have 3 exchanges serving some 20,000 residential and 2,000 business lines, exchanges I had to work my stones off to get enabled ahead of time in 2002/2003. We have no hope of 21cn anytime soon and only one exchange has a single LLU operator in it (TalkTalk).

Our money bankrolls BT's attempts to steal business from their competitors in the cities, while some BT PR monkey tells us we should count ourselves lucky to be able get broadband at all, like they're some loving benefactor doing charity work in their spare time. Gee, thanks.

I for one don't want to hear it. I pay the same money every quarter, I want the same services, or I want a discount. I don't care who pays for it (hello £1billion pounds profit).

Look at BT's 21cn rollout and look at how many of those exchanges were Market 3 already, or had Cable. Not one exchange that I know of didn't have an alternative provider already there that BT could tout business away from. Viability my backside, profits first and sod the customers elsewhere.