Certainly nothing changes though with ADSL24 though, we've just got more behind us now to improve further and improve our sales/marketing with some private investment

I get the impression some of your old competition are getting jealous of your success

Is your brand name going to change, or will both run together?

In the days of FTTx, which will spread rapidly soon, there does seem to be a slight anomaly.

Both will run, we're not going to just lose the ADSL24 reputation, but the name does prevent us from expanding, especially as we're not jut doing ADSL any more and "ADSL" that won't be around forever

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Both will run, we're not going to just lose the ADSL24 reputation, but the name does prevent us from expanding, especially as we're not jut doing ADSL any more and "ADSL" that won't be around forever

I think ADSL will be around for many more years yet unless they find something else that is in the same price range.


Fibre is nice, but not everyone will want to spend extra to get more speed and there will be many people who will not be able to get fibre for many years if at all. i still know people who can't get ADSL stil never mind fibre.

4G will no doubt be expensive just like 3G is.

But anyway, hope all goes well on your expansion. you never know I may be back one day.

The recent upgrade from ADSL24 was actually very positive for me:

* DL sync increased from ~3M to 3.8M
* UL sync increased from ~600k to 950k (!)
* More importantly, stability has vastly increased and SNR margin become much more consistent.

I guess the differing reports in this thread are down to specifically what equipment the two companies have installed at your exchange, and how differently they handle your line. For me, it's been the end of a nightmare.

I'm on a ~4km line from SSALM, and had been having terrible link reliability since the 21CN "upgrades" there in 2009 - many random desyncs and often dropping when picking up a voice call too. It seemed to be related to the uplink SNR being too low - I would often watch it creep towards zero and the inevitable disconnect while the downlink was still fine. When I complained through ADSL24, all BT would do is increase the downlink SNR target, leaving me with a line slower but just as unstable. I'd long since given up on ever getting this fixed.

Before 21CN and the new BT linecards at SSALM, I had great reliability - typically several weeks between desyncs. The move from the new BT linecards to Talktalk's has been almost a return to those good old days, only with better speeds. I'm seldom getting more than two desyncs a week, and never on incoming calls. At a wild guess, I suppose the uplink Tx power from this linecard must be higher.

The one downside has been an increase in bufferbloat on the downlink. Netalyzr reckons it at around 2600ms, where previously it was a few hundred (still bad but not outrageous.) Of course, you only see this when you load up the connection. Would be nice to see it fixed though.

To be honest, I had been considering a migration away from ADSL24 - albeit not on the expectation of a better connection. This change made me reconsider.

The other things that were bugging me remain, though. Word from James about what you're going to do about bufferbloat would be appreciated (especially as it's now worse on the new linecard,) as would news of IPv6 dual stack support and the odds of getting a current version of BIND (preferably with DNSSEC enabled) on Daisy's DNS servers. Are you there, James?