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(deleted) Fri 07-Feb-14 20:52:01
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Re: Breathe Internet - TalkTalk LLU, ADSL2+?


[re: XRaySpeX] [link to this post]
 
I followed those instructions to get a telnet session but none of the listed commands were found. My particular router model number isn't listed either.

I've still to get the bottom of what I was given initially, why I got 800Kbps for a year, and what caused the reduction in speed again after the fault was fixed. I've asked Breathe if it's something they can bring up with Openreach and I need to get Breathe to confirm that I was never on ADSL2+ with them and therefore there was nothing that changed at their end in December 2012.

They want another £3 per month for me to try ADSL2+, which I'm quite willing to do, although of course they can't guarantee it will work.

But this is the package I agreed to upon the move to LLU in 2011, in an email from Breathe Sales:

1- ADSL & Call Charges

Up to 24mbps- actual speeds achieved are subject to line conditions and distance from exchange.
£10.99 per month


Does that not imply ADSL2+? It seems they're now telling me what they actually gave me was an "up to 8Mbps" ADSLMax service and they want a futher £3 to give me an "up to 24Mbps" ADSL2+ service instead. The acronym "ADSL" that they used in the descripttion above doesn't mean anything as there are different flavours of ADSL, it's just a generic description of a ADSL service rather than fibre or dialup. It can't mean ADSL1 as that cannot be "up to 24Mbps".

Whether or not I can actually get 24Mbps, or even 8Mbps, is irrelevant because the ADSL2+ service is likely to give me better speed than ADSLMax and that's what I thought I was gettting, and that's what I attributed the increase in speed to.

Edited by deleted (Fri 07-Feb-14 20:57:45)

Standard User XRaySpeX
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Sat 08-Feb-14 00:18:42
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Re: Breathe Internet - TalkTalk LLU, ADSL2+?


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In reply to a post by csimon:
Connection speed: 504 down
Attenuation: 68.1db
Noise Margin: 5.2db
Where's your Up stats? That's could tell us a lot. When asking for help and you are asked for some data, never edit it and only select that which you think important.

1999: Freeserve 48K Dial-Up => 2005: Wanadoo 1 Meg BB => 2007: Orange 2 Meg BB => 2008: Orange 8 Meg LLU => 2010: Orange 16 Meg LLU => 2011: Orange 20 Meg WBC
Standard User XRaySpeX
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Sat 08-Feb-14 00:23:05
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Re: Breathe Internet - TalkTalk LLU, ADSL2+?


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Did Telnet make a connection even if you couldn't find the right command?
In reply to a post by csimon:
Whether or not I can actually get 24Mbps, or even 8Mbps, is irrelevant because the ADSL2+ service is likely to give me better speed than ADSLMax
I see I'm wasting my breath on Breathe frown.

No, you won't at your distance!

"Up-to-24 Meg" can only be ADSL2+. You are on an ADSL2+ service but it can & does downgrade itself to ADSL2 or ADSL1 if it finds it can sync faster.

"ADSL" is a generic name for all flavours of ADSL as well of the name of the 1st "Up-to-8 Meg" standard. Your ISP is entitled to market its product as ADSL to differentiate from Fibre or VDSL BB.

In all probability your decrease in speed was due to the phone repair you had as they coincided.

By all means waste £36/year but it will not make a blind bit of diff. I can guarantee that it won't work.

BTW: You don't get ADSL MAx on LLU; it's a BT product.

Also have you ever told us your exchange?

1999: Freeserve 48K Dial-Up => 2005: Wanadoo 1 Meg BB => 2007: Orange 2 Meg BB => 2008: Orange 8 Meg LLU => 2010: Orange 16 Meg LLU => 2011: Orange 20 Meg WBC

Edited by XRaySpeX (Sat 08-Feb-14 00:38:54)


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(deleted) Sun 09-Feb-14 16:58:13
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Re: Breathe Internet - TalkTalk LLU, ADSL2+?


[re: XRaySpeX] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by XRaySpeX:
In reply to a post by csimon:
Connection speed: 504 down
Attenuation: 68.1db
Noise Margin: 5.2db
Where's your Up stats? That's could tell us a lot. When asking for help and you are asked for some data, never edit it and only select that which you think important.


When asked for stats and there are a lot of them it would be helpful for someone to say which stats they want and what they consider important. I work in IT support myself and am welll aware of "stupid people" just sying "it doesn't work" and "it won't lket me do this", but please don't treat me like one. If I want a user to supplky inforamtion then I make them aware of what information I want them to supply/
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(deleted) Sun 09-Feb-14 17:00:33
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Re: Breathe Internet - TalkTalk LLU, ADSL2+?


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In reply to a post by XRaySpeX:
Also have you ever told us your exchange?


No. Have you ever asked for it?
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(deleted) Sun 09-Feb-14 17:04:05
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Re: Breathe Internet - TalkTalk LLU, ADSL2+?


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In reply to a post by XRaySpeX:
In reply to a post by csimon:
Connection speed: 504 down
Attenuation: 68.1db
Noise Margin: 5.2db
Where's your Up stats?


Up speed is 284kbps, attenuation 39.6db, noise margin 13.2db
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(deleted) Sun 09-Feb-14 17:05:00
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Re: Breathe Internet - TalkTalk LLU, ADSL2+?


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In reply to a post by XRaySpeX:
Did Telnet make a connection even if you couldn't find the right command?


Yes.
Standard User XRaySpeX
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Sun 09-Feb-14 18:31:05
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Re: Breathe Internet - TalkTalk LLU, ADSL2+?


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I hope you did the browser address http://192.168.0.1/setup.cgi?todo=debug 1st while logged into router.

When issuing the suggested Telnet commands:
# adslctl info --stats
# adsl info

you are not meant to type the '#'; think it's meant to be the prompt.

You can try to get help on the commands by just typing adslctl or adsl on their own.

Please which exchange are you on?

1999: Freeserve 48K Dial-Up => 2005: Wanadoo 1 Meg BB => 2007: Orange 2 Meg BB => 2008: Orange 8 Meg LLU => 2010: Orange 16 Meg LLU => 2011: Orange 20 Meg WBC
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(deleted) Sun 09-Feb-14 18:51:07
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Re: Breathe Internet - TalkTalk LLU, ADSL2+?


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Yes, I did all that. I didn't type that exact address as that's not the IP address of my router, specifically the subnet, however after substituing the correct address I did get the "debug enable" message page as the instructions described. I didn't type the hash in front of the commands, the hash is indeed the prompt.

I've just done it again now and took a screengrab. I can't see at first glance how to attach an image to this post but here's a transcript of the session:

login: <id>
Password: <Password>

Busybox v1.00 (2011.06.21-10:54+0000) Built-in shell (ash)
Enter 'help' for a list of built-in commands.

# adslctl info --stats
-sh: adslctl: not found
# adsl info
-sh adsl: not found
# adslctl
-sh: adslctl: not found
# adsl
-sh adsl: not found
# help

Built-in commands:
-----------------------
. : alias bg break cd chdir continue eval exec
(and so on with a list of standard telnet commands)

The exchange is Llanberis (WNLR).

Edited by deleted (Sun 09-Feb-14 18:57:55)

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(deleted) Sun 09-Feb-14 18:56:38
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