I believe you but don't see where your link mentions Cogent. As James says, the user's IP address would help, but needs to be by PM to one of us rather than posted in public.

In reply to a post by pluralist:

I believe you but don't see where your link mentions Cogent. As James says, the user's IP address would help, but needs to be by PM to one of us rather than posted in public.

You have to prowl around the RIPE interface, which I wasn't familiar with, so many thanks to jpm for the link. You can see which other Autonomous Systems the ISP peers with using BGP which is how the core of the internet works. (ISP to ISP).

You can even see which IPv4 and IPv6 space they announce, so the customer will most likely be on one of these v4 ranges:
193.17.176.0/23
193.17.87.0/24
193.17.86.0/24

Cogent Communications are a huge international ISP transit, linking lots of ISPs together. A small ISP will only link to one transit partner. The AS neighbours shows only "1 left, 0 right, and 1 unique" which shows the scale of the operation. Contrast to other ISPs networks.

In the lower right you can open up the WHOIS section, and the "Other Values" and it shows that this AS links to AS174. They accept anything from 174 and 174 announces them, so 174 is the parent. AS174 is Cogent Comms.

Pretty much answers my questions, maybe not others. Small regional ISP whom has just started. May be able to scale as they gain customers.

Edited by jchamier (Sun 20-Jun-21 13:45:19)

I can confirm my IP is in the 193.17.86.0/24 range

I'm assuming the company has been subject to reasonable financial scrutiny as they're one of the providers working with Essex County Council as part of their Superfast Essex project but I would agree the lack of internet coverage doesn't paint the most positive picture.

But then, Superfast Essex seems to be a little confused in how it's managing rollouts (if indeed, they do any management) - after many years of having no choice other than Openreach ADSL/VDSL products, the area now has Gigaclear and People's Fibre competing for business in the same areas. I would has assumed the role of a council project would be to ensure all areas receive 'superfast' speeds in the shortest time-frame rather than encourage competitors to fight over the same areas.

People's fibre are using Openreach PIA to lay their fibre. They are using Neos Networks (formally SSE) for the backhaul link to one of the Telehouse DC's in docklands.Their main POP is on the Aetheric Road/Rayne Road junction in Braintree. My neighbour works for them. Due to their small IP allocation I wonder whether they are using CGNAT.

It seems locally that Gigaclear have been responsible for some significant roadworks.
I don't seem to recall People's Fibre doing the same - although there were a lot of roadworks at the junction noted 6/8 months ago.

I really don't know the difference of how their respective rollouts are progressing.

All I can offer as a comparison is that Gigaclear dug a trench to my parents house, seemingly for no reason other than to serve their property. Given they never expressed an interest in faster internet, all they have to show for this is some new tarmac over that trench. Conversely People's Fibre seem content using the existing (Openreach) ducts to deliver their fibre with minimal incursion.

At this point any new ISP starting up is going to have issues with getting IPv4 space. They need to be (preferably static) IPv6 from the start which at least goes some way to alleviating the issues with IPv4 CGNAT as far as voice calling and gaming is concerned.

Any ISP that is doing CGNAT and has no IPv6 deployed needs to figure out what their strategy is, and hire people who understand v6 to get it rolled out.

Edited by jpm (Sun 20-Jun-21 22:45:51)

In reply to a post by vinnym70:

It seems locally that Gigaclear have been responsible for some significant roadworks.
I don't seem to recall People's Fibre doing the same - although there were a lot of roadworks at the junction noted 6/8 months ago.

I really don't know the difference of how their respective rollouts are progressing.

All I can offer as a comparison is that Gigaclear dug a trench to my parents house, seemingly for no reason other than to serve their property. Given they never expressed an interest in faster internet, all they have to show for this is some new tarmac over that trench. Conversely People's Fibre seem content using the existing (Openreach) ducts to deliver their fibre with minimal incursion.

Yes Braintree, Rayne and Bocking are Gigaclear's first big commercial rollout. They are using a combination of their own digging (MAP are doing most of the civils) with some Openreach PIA where it makes sense. Their progress is pretty good. Slow start in Braintree (the initial parts of the rollout in the northwest of the town were done under Superfast Essex) but since they started their commercial rollout back in September 2020 they've done the whole of Rayne (some small areas not active yet) and most of the west of the town and Great Notley. This is where there has been a bit of conflict with People's Fibre, who were trying to roll out to the Great Notley area first, they have also done a lot of the east of the town.

In reply to a post by jpm:

At this point any new ISP starting up is going to have issues with getting IPv4 space. They need to be (preferably static) IPv6 from the start which at least goes some way to alleviating the issues with IPv4 CGNAT as far as voice calling and gaming is concerned.

Any ISP that is doing CGNAT and has no IPv6 deployed needs to figure out what their strategy is, and hire people who understand v6 to get it rolled out.

This was kind of my point. I will see if I can get more info on their strategy. The IPv4 marketplace is expensive, obviously!

RIP

https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2021/11/casual...

People's Fibre now taken over by Swish Fibre which seems to be mainly operating in home counties on the other sides of London to Essex - informed by email on Xmas Eve.

Not sure if it's associated (or when it happened) but my IP address is now in the 100.64.0 space per my router but whatismyip dot com shows 193.17.87

Today, I've noticed a lot of regularly used websites popping up with various Cloudflare checks which are either transient check pages or captchas that need to be interacted with OR (worst) seem to results in some websites and apps just failing to load. I can fairly much prove this is down to something to do with my People's Fibre connection as I still have my old Plusnet service available and/or mobile internet to compare with and neither exhibit the same behaviour.

I'll give a router restart a try at some point.