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Standard User Bryer
(experienced) Sat 21-Oct-23 17:38:42
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Re: Gigaclear questions


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With all due respect @jchamier, CGNAT is fine for corporate working, not so good for consumer lines.

It basically stops online gaming from working correctly and can cause companies to issue a network ban to a innocent customer, who's sharing a address with another cheating user.

@Andrue - I'm going live with Gigaclear on the 27.10. They claim my area was built with IPv6 enabled from launch, so we'll see.
Standard User jchamier
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Sat 21-Oct-23 18:10:40
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Re: Gigaclear questions


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In reply to a post by Bryer:
With all due respect @jchamier, CGNAT is fine for corporate working, not so good for consumer lines.
If by "consumer" you mean "gamer" then yes, I agree. However there is no solution to the lack of IPv4 addresses as they have run out. The problem is some ISPs that have not deployed IPv6 at the same time as games and gaming platforms (e.g. XBox, PlayStation or Steam) should really work on both.

It basically stops online gaming from working correctly and can cause companies to issue a network ban to a innocent customer, who's sharing a address with another cheating user. And that happens on dynamic IP addresses around the globe anyway. In some countries IP addresses on cable or DSL or FTTP connections change daily.

Banning consumers by IP is futile as most game platforms realise. Banning by login or credit card is more effective.

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Standard User markyr74
(regular) Wed 20-Dec-23 11:00:19
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Re: Gigaclear questions


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Hi, did you get IPv6? I have Gigaclear available but am split between going with them or Squirrel Internet who are a lot smaller. I want to move my landline too.


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Standard User Bryer
(experienced) Wed 20-Dec-23 20:54:28
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Re: Gigaclear questions


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Hi Mark,

Yes got Gigaclear, but no IPv6 at present. They stated it's still in development, but considering they use a DHCP server to issue customers IP addresses, seems a weird move to still not have it rolled out.
Standard User markyr74
(regular) Thu 21-Dec-23 07:21:15
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Re: Gigaclear questions


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Thanks for the reply. I think I'll just go with Squirrel Internet as they have IPV6 already. But I am still deciding between then and Gigaclear, however CGNAT I read is not a good thing but Gigaclear are implementing it on their network; Squirrel said they don't use it.
Standard User Bryer
(experienced) Thu 21-Dec-23 14:47:27
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Squirrel won't use it if they have IPv6.

Gigaclear have said they may use it if they run out of IPv4 before their IPv6 is ready. But you can avoid CGNAT by adding Static IP address to your account with Gigaclear.
Standard User candlerb
(knowledge is power) Thu 21-Dec-23 16:32:17
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Re: Gigaclear questions


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Squirrel won't use it if they have IPv6.

That doesn't make sense.

You deploy CGNAT if you've run out of IPv4 (and don't want to buy any more). It doesn't depend on whether you've deployed IPv6 or not.
Standard User jchamier
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Thu 21-Dec-23 17:22:52
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You deploy CGNAT if you've run out of IPv4 (and don't want to buy any more).

Or can't afford the price (its going up) or can't purchase enough for all your customers.

It doesn't depend on whether you've deployed IPv6 or not.
Sadly there are a few ISPs that are CGNAT without IPv6 which can be frustrating.

Not all CGNAT ISPs will have any option of a public IP, and this option will be reducing as the years go on.

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Standard User Bryer
(experienced) Fri 22-Dec-23 14:51:31
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Any provider should be transitioning away from IPv4 in all honesty. If the provider is offering IPv6, would make sense for them to only roll out and reduce their usage of CGNAT as it's really not needed with IPv6.
Standard User jchamier
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Fri 22-Dec-23 15:46:05
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Any provider should be transitioning away from IPv4 in all honesty.
Someone tell Plusnet and Virgin Media whom both only offer IPv4.

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