Internet Activities graph on PAYG

I noticed that the ability to view Internet Activities feature is not available on Pay As You Go accounts.

Does anyone know why this is? It would be a really useful facility for this type of account.

Thanks,

Mark

IIRC it is because the data for PAYG usage is taken from Radius (as this is accurate) instead of the Ellacoyas. The usage breakdown isn't possible from Radius data unfortunately.

That's a shame. If only the Ellacoyas could be used with a simple profile (no shaping at all) so that the information could be gathered.

When we first created VMBU back in the day on the old Home Lite (forerunner to PAYG) we only had one source for the usage data which was the CBC data from BT. Last year when changed VMBU to include the traffic breakdown we pulled that data from the Ellacoyas but didn't change the source on PAYG.

With BBYW with kind of merged the two, CBC generates the totals and Ellacoya the breakdown. I don't know if it's possible to do this on PAYG but will ask.

Somewhat tricky for someone on PAYG if they are using RIN as the traffic doesn't go anywhere near the Plusnet Ellacoyas which do the traffic analysis!

There is a way that we can get the same data feed from BT's Ellacoyas in the same format as we use. That will be something we eventually would need to do if we wanted to use RIN on anything more than a trial basis. That work though hasn't made it past the "talking about it" stage yet.

Ian

Does that statement mean that PAYG RIN traffic is currently going through BT Ellacoyas?

Sounds like it to me.. WOuld be one way to explain my dire speeds on PAYG.

Course... Remember - Ellacoyas tag and monitor traffic and are used on many networks throughout the world, but they don't do shaping. Thinking of one as the other confuses things imo. Our RIN profile, as far as I am aware, is free from shaping. Then again, I know very little about RIN so I can't really tell you anything else.

Ian

I don't think it explains that at all - I'd love to know what is causing them though.

Ian

"Our RIN profile, as far as I am aware, is free from shaping. Then again, I know very little about RIN so I can't really tell you anything else."
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I was in all the project meetings and can confirm that you are correct. Our profile is clean.

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YOU'd love to know whats causing them! lol.

I havent got a clue - just looking for answers - short of following the cable myself, which is tricky as its underground I havent got a clue.

Im leaning to ward either a config error somewhere, or more likely, something being fried or close to fried in my exchange.

If it were a noisy connection or degraded wire etc, I would expect the synch rate to drop.

If it were contention, then why has it appeared so suddenly (almost line speed for weeks on end, to 1/20th line speed overnight). Also, shouldnt upload be affected also, and at peak times should be less noticeable.

So I think it has to be something that is fried or failing at the exchange.

Anyway - sorry for the OT post on this thread.

Its the weekend - we should be away from our PC's and enjoying the garden or something!

What does the BT speedtester say for your IP Profile?

Could you post a tracert to 212.159.6.9 please.

Cant do a tracert now as I am at work, but the ip profile for my line is 3500 (although in a few days it should return to 4000 as I am synching at well over the 4096 level).

Synch is about 4250, ip profile is 3500 and throughput on the latest test was about 200.

"Course... Remember - Ellacoyas tag and monitor traffic and are used on many networks throughout the world, but they don't do shaping."

That's arguable since you've been rate limiting with the Ellacoya's since they were bought and that falls under the banner of traffic shaping in some people's eyes.

TT

The Ellacoya's don't do the shaping though. As Ian says, they merely tag the different types of traffic. We have additionally hardware that actually performs the shaping, prioritisation and rate limiting.

"The Ellacoya's don't do the shaping though. As Ian says, they merely tag the different types of traffic. We have additionally hardware that actually performs the shaping, prioritisation and rate limiting."

Since your portal graphing indicates the ERXs *aren't* doing the peak hours rate-limiting on the likes of p2p protocols, you must have another device doing it. Have you got another inline device in addition to the Ellacoyas? If so, what is it?

TT