Packet shaping not as expected.

I've noticed that not all things are packet shaped as expected and how the current packet shaping doesn't make sense.

For example

• Web pages always allowed full line speed when web would work fine with 2Mbps.
• iPlayer, even though it uses p2p to download the programs they get full speed and bring web browsing to a stand still.
• Streaming video, only 1Mbps HARD cap at peek times, that's fine for youtube but for Apple's HD movie trailers it is really annoying.

Now it would make more sense if there wasn't hard speed caps but speed sensitive activities were given higher priority than say back ground downloads like iPlayer.

Well I guess I shouldn't complain at least it's not O2 dial-up LLU any more. Just wanted to point out that it doesn't work quite as expected.

As I remember wasn't the O2 Canterbury problem fixed by upgrades just after you left? No throttling there .

I reckon you need Pro, no such issues.

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

As I remember wasn't the O2 Canterbury problem fixed by upgrades just after you left? No throttling there .

Some people just have no patience.

Hey 5km for £5.99 a month how does it rate?

I'm quite happy to pay £17.50/month for around 13.5Mb/1.4Mb (down/up) with no download limits or traffic shaping.

In reply to a post by TheHorseman:

Some people just have no patience.

To be fair to 5km, he stuck it out from November I think. Just he cracked with only a fortnight to go.

So would a lot of us... But O2 does not seem to like little exchanges during a recession.

Hey 5km for £5.99 a month how does it rate?

No it's £19.55 and is miles better than O2.

Some people just have no patience.

3 months of dial-up speeds with upgrade dates always moving and O2 not giving clear and truthful answers when questioned about realistic upgrade dates. They couldn't even confirm that the upgrade would happen a couple of weeks before it finally did. That would be enough to provide anyone that wants to use their Internet connection to leave.

the question is, when is packet shaping as expected?

In reply to a post by 5km:

• Web pages always allowed full line speed when web would work fine with 2Mbps.

Yes I've often wondered this; if you find a decent download site that isn't on the 'restricted list' or some other high content site, you could happily pull from it at line speed (for me the full 8meg) even at peak times - and it wouldn't take many doing that to cause problems.

Well one could argue that its as expected when there is a published specification and the throttling applied matches the spec. On the whole PlusNet seem to manage that quite well baring occasional mis configurations. Eg. one gateway un-throttled usenet a bit late last week on certain package(s). We can remember when it was a mess in their early days but they've worked out a fairly good way to configure the ellacoyas and make it understandable.

Its not trivial to understand though as the mechanisms that are simpler to explain are a) throttling your entire connection for all protocols (usually all the time), b) something like the original ALT which was effective and transparent and protected latency, c) letting congestion do its own thing. And maybe something like TalkTalk where p2p is throttled (but loads of people do not realise) but they never say by how much or when.

Enta's IPSC rollout has been far odder with certain connections showing signs of clear active throttling above the ALT, the ALT not behaving how it used to and its reporting being completely opaque when it used to be very transparent. And ofcourse a major shortage of capacity versus the packages sold and no resilience.

Now the OP may be right that some aspects of the PlusNet throttling specification are not how a techi might configure things BUT and I think this has always been the key point - to Joe Bloggs the internet means web browsing (and he may not even know what a browser is by name), if you can say that your browsing is unaffected and be able to prove it to the ASA then you are on a marketing winner. This is also useful for homes/businesses with multiple PCs (2Mb*4 = 8Mb) and so on. The main reason they throttle download sites (in my opinion) is simply that a) its easy b) they are by definition not real-time critical and c) when new releases appear its easy for them to flood the network. And with places like rapidshare its a), b) and a new c) which is that a user of those sites may be pulling a lot of Mb continuously.

In reply to a post by 5km:

I've noticed that not all things are packet shaped as expected and how the current packet shaping doesn't make sense.

For example

• Web pages always allowed full line speed when web would work fine with 2Mbps.

It is a misconception that web pages are not throttlled, often enforced by Plusnet reps, see my explanation here;

Link

I suppose it is easier to state the web is not throttled rather than explain the complex shaping.