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Standard User Apprentice
(knowledge is power) Mon 21-Dec-09 22:06:21
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Re: Worst isp I've ever being with


[re: grumpysod] [link to this post]
 
Plusnet operate Traffic Management which does throttle download speeds on their Network at certain times depending on the BB package you use >

http://www.plus.net/support/broadband/speed_guide/tr...

http://www.plus.net/support/broadband/speed_guide/do...

Alastair

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Standard User grumpysod
(newbie) Wed 23-Dec-09 17:18:53
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Re: Worst isp I've ever being with


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My mate uses it forl iplayer, itunes and the youngsters youtube, faecebook etc.
Even browsing the web with my connection can be pretty slow with plusnet. The connection is mainly used I do the odd download of stuff from MSDN etc. but no more than about 10 gig a month.
It's the fact that my sync rate is less than half what I had with UKFSN/Entatnet and my actual speed is about a quarter of what it was.

I've raised tickets but Plusnet must have no Customer Service staff that deal with them.

I'm now in the same place I was a couple of months ago with Entanet, I'm looking for a more reliable provider or at least one that provides some sort of support.
Standard User RobertoS
(legend) Wed 23-Dec-09 17:46:45
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Re: Worst isp I've ever being with


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In reply to a post by grumpysod:
I'm now in the same place I was a couple of months ago with Entanet, I'm looking for a more reliable provider or at least one that provides some sort of support.
Give us the link to what samknows says about your exchange.

That may give a clue as to why your sync speeds are lower than with Entanet, and tell us if there is anything good to be had.

Do you really mean "sync"? Some people think that is the same as actual download speed. The full results from a BT speed test would be useful.

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Standard User grumpysod
(newbie) Wed 23-Dec-09 21:44:02
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Re: Worst isp I've ever being with


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My exchange is http://www.samknows.com/broadband/exchange/NICN

My sync with Entanet was approx 7000kbps and I was getting downloads aroound the 6000kbps mark, so I had overheads of about 1000kbps
With plusnet I'm syncing at approx 3100kbps and getting downloads at about 1600kbps, it now appears to have an overhead of 1600kbps.

Here's the output from the bt speedtest
Download speedachieved during the test was - 1627 Kbps
For your connection, the acceptable range of speedsis 600-7150 Kbps.
Additional Information:
Your DSL Connection Rate :3071 Kbps(DOWN-STREAM), 443 Kbps(UP-STREAM)
IP Profile for your line is - 2500 Kbps
The throughput of Best Efforts (BE) classes achieved during the test is - 18.93:26.55:54.52 (SBE:NBE:PBE)
These figures represent the ratio while sententiously passing Sub BE, Normal BE and Priority BE marked traffic.

The results of this test will vary depending on the way your ISP has decided to use these traffic classes.


P.s sorry for hijacking the thread

Edited by grumpysod (Wed 23-Dec-09 21:47:56)

Standard User deleted
(deleted) Wed 23-Dec-09 23:26:39
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Re: Worst isp I've ever being with


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That looks like a problem with your BT profile, if you can post up the stats from your router I'm sure someone can give you some more info
Standard User grumpysod
(newbie) Thu 24-Dec-09 11:31:15
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Re: Worst isp I've ever being with


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Here you go,

Line Mode ADSL2+ Line State Show Time
Latency Type Fast Line Up Time 00:20:41:26
Line Coding Trellis On Line Up Count 4
Line Power State L0

Statistics Downstream Upstream
Line Rate 3071 Kbps 443 Kbps
Noise Margin 17.6 dB 29.9 dB
Line Attenuation 39.0 dB 18.7 dB
Output Power 0.0 dBm 12.5 dBm
MSGC (number in overhead channel data) 59 12
B (number of bytes in Mux Frame) 95 13
M (number of Mux Frames in FEC Frame) 1 1
T (Mux Frames over sync bytes) 1 4
R (number of check bytes in FEC Frame) 0 0
S (ratio of FEC over PMD Frame length) 0.9897 0.9912
L (number of bits in PMD Frame) 776 113
D (interleaver depth) 1 1
Super Frames 4631431 4631429
Super Frame Errors 306 0
RS Words 0 0
RS Correctable Errors 0 0
RS Uncorrectable Errors 0 0
HEC Errors 114 0
OCD Errors 0 0
LCD Errors 0 0
ES Errors 0 0
Standard User ian72
(knowledge is power) Thu 24-Dec-09 11:34:01
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If you reboot your router and take the stats as soon as it connects after the reboot then it will tell us what your taget SNR margin is. At the moment your SNR is 17.6 which is high and suggests you have had an unstable line recently. The figure straight after a reboot will tell us more.
Standard User deleted
(deleted) Thu 24-Dec-09 13:17:47
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How long can you hold a connection?

I moved to ADSL2+ and I then had a lot of problems with my connection. I tried lots of different things, but the only thing I found that worked was to leave it on without interfering with it. You need at least 10 days, possibly 14.

James
Standard User grumpysod
(newbie) Thu 24-Dec-09 19:37:45
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Re: Worst isp I've ever being with


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It's held a connection for up to six days.

Heres the output just after a reboot
Line Mode ADSL2+ Line State Show Time
Latency Type Fast Line Up Time 00:00:01:22
Line Coding Trellis On Line Up Count 2
Line Power State L0

Statistics Downstream Upstream
Line Rate 3071 Kbps 443 Kbps
Noise Margin 26.4 dB 26.0 dB
Line Attenuation 38.5 dB 18.7 dB
Output Power 0.0 dBm 12.2 dBm
MSGC (number in overhead channel data) 59 12
B (number of bytes in Mux Frame) 95 13
M (number of Mux Frames in FEC Frame) 1 1
T (Mux Frames over sync bytes) 1 4
R (number of check bytes in FEC Frame) 0 0
S (ratio of FEC over PMD Frame length) 0.9897 0.9912
L (number of bits in PMD Frame) 776 113
D (interleaver depth) 1 1
Super Frames 5097 5095
Super Frame Errors 0 65
RS Words 0 0
RS Correctable Errors 0 0
RS Uncorrectable Errors 0 0
HEC Errors 0 0
OCD Errors 0 0
LCD Errors 0 0
ES Errors 0 0


Line Mode ADSL2+ Line State Show Time
Latency Type Fast Line Up Time 00:00:00:21
Line Coding Trellis On Line Up Count 2
Line Power State L0

Statistics Downstream Upstream
Line Rate 3071 Kbps 443 Kbps
Noise Margin 26.6 dB 26.4 dB
Line Attenuation 39.0 dB 18.7 dB
Output Power 0.0 dBm 12.6 dBm
MSGC (number in overhead channel data) 59 12
B (number of bytes in Mux Frame) 95 13
M (number of Mux Frames in FEC Frame) 1 1
T (Mux Frames over sync bytes) 1 4
R (number of check bytes in FEC Frame) 0 0
S (ratio of FEC over PMD Frame length) 0.9897 0.9912
L (number of bits in PMD Frame) 776 113
D (interleaver depth) 1 1
Super Frames 1305 1303
Super Frame Errors 0 97
RS Words 0 0
RS Correctable Errors 0 0
RS Uncorrectable Errors 0 0
HEC Errors 0 0
OCD Errors 0 0
LCD Errors 0 0
ES Errors 0 0

Edited by grumpysod (Thu 24-Dec-09 19:41:35)

Standard User deleted
(deleted) Thu 24-Dec-09 20:09:44
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Re: Worst isp I've ever being with


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That's BT's system of setting SNR. It seems to be particularly problematic on ADSL2+ .

I'm not an expert but some people were able to get their ISP to reset it. Failing that the best you can do is leave it alone. If you can maintain a connection for a fortnight it will improve automatically.

James
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