Simon, i truly am not controlled by Plusnet.

The pug should be truly independant, and to prove it like i have stated, open up the forums to the public!

... and let the great unwashed pollute the waters? I think not...

The PUG run pretty much a tight ship at the moment and I don't see them relinquishing control that easily...

I know that... Hence you are nominated (by an ex-customer) to be the Voice of the Customers.

Simon

if they want to convince the doubters they have no choice i feel

Simon if Plusnet truly wanted a votc they would ask me, yourself and rsharma and a few others, to join and be apart of it , but hey pigs can fly

At least i am in the loop to a degree, but still more can be done.

I think that there is much more at stake and don't believe that they would change it just because some people believe that they have to in order to pass some sort of test.

They've seen what can happen to a forum if things get out of hand, I certainly don't see them trying to go the way of self destruction (they can leave all that to Plus.net who seem to be doing a mighty fine job of that on their own )

hi caesar

Plusnet have no choice but to change if they want to survive. They have valid points re criticism, however if presented logically and contsructively they will take it on board.

This is ther last chance to sort things, they cannot survive unless they reverse where they went wrong. FACT

If we as users, customers, ex customers can help them out, then personnally i am happy to do that.

Illogical, Spock. VOTEC maybe.

Simon

I thought we were still talking about the PUG opening it up its doors??

Anyway, it may be the case that the powers that be are now no longer looking at running a successful ISP but are courting possible suitors in order to take it over.

Given the market conditions of the ADSL market as a whole it doesn't sound as far fetched as it might sound like.

They can't compete with the Sky and TT's of this world and I am not sure if the marketplace hasn't already reached saturation point a bit like the mobile phone market now. It used to be case in the latter that a mobile phone network would try to entice people to join their network but nowadays they are spedning a fair bit of their budget trying convince their subscribers *NOT* to leave hence all the loyalty stuff.

I can see the ADSL market going the same way, especially now that OFCOM are going to push MACs as compulsory.

if PUG opned the forums to non plusnet members, that would show me they were not Plusnet contolled. If people wanted to slate them or cause trouble they could always delete their posts.

If they do that i will be more than happy