Peace and harmony

We have seen some turbulent times on this forum over the last few months and some of it genuine and others blown out of proportion but we must bring this forum back to debate.

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You stick to not starting theads like your last one to simple attack for the sake of attacking and you'll get no trouble from me.

Lets bring this forum back to what it used to be a friendly place where people can come for help and advice and not for constant attacks on PlusNet and again you will get no problem from me.

All depends on if those who would aim to put the Plusnet reps in a corner in here, when a lot of them are clearly unable to deal with certain questions, either through orders or no authorisation/knowledge.

While Plusnet as a company deserve being criticised for things like the e-mail failure, and the usual other gripes, repetitive asking of the same questions when no answer will be given is not only pointless, but it removes the very people (representing the company) that we would like to able to ask or criticise.

Many of the customers have taken their Plusnet experience personally. Some of them may have good reason, and assuming they can rectify or resolve the issue, they should do so, but harassing individuals achieves nothing positive.

So that's my opinion. I'd be delighted to keep the peace, but take note that I don't ever start the inflammatory thread, and if I disagree with one, I'll voice my opinion.

Edited by camieabz (Sun 10-Sep-06 00:50:23)

George, this is a thread to bring this forum to harmony and not make accusations. We can disagree but we can do so as adults, with logical debate and without making accusations. You have raised valid points on PUG and elsewhere and I look forward to similar posts from you in future. This is a peace thread and not one for confrontation so let us all aim for that target.

I have made a promise and I intend to abide by it, as I am certain that you are too. We can fundamentally disagree on issues but we can and will remain civil to each other. Agreed?

We have seen some turbulent times on this forum over the last few months and some of it genuine and others blown out of proportion but we must bring this forum back to debate.

LoL that's a rich statement coming from you dude!, you have twisted and falsehooded Plusnet in a great degree in recent threads, do you want links to back up what i say?.

No that's not my style sorry, you look for yourself, it's you that seem to have made this a moral crusade. I'm sure God will look kindly on you for pointing out some trivial mistakes of an internet service provider

Anyway, i say YES to this board being a place of debate and help, but biased debate against Plusnet has become the norm so it's just a pipe dream until the customers of other ISP's namely Zen and the (awful) IDNet get lives away from this board i'm afraid.

Edited by deleted (Sun 10-Sep-06 00:58:20)

I agree with you wholeheartedly but I will make some observations. If PN decide to post on this forum again then it will be due to choice and they must only do so to impart information and help on an honest basis. What does that mean?

Do I expect them never to make a mistake? No, but I do expect them to help people the best they can but if they given an answer to a specific question then I also expect them to check and verify those facts before they post their reply to ensure that it isn't different, wrong in fact or contracdictory to company policy. All of us need consistency and truth. No more and no less.

I respect people who posted here but the company culture is one I disagreed with and was vocal about. I have said to James and Ian that there is still time to untarnish the name and I genuinley believe it. I also believe that they are trying and I wish them luck and support to achieve it.

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Edited by rsharma (Sun 10-Sep-06 02:31:22)

I will not get sucked in to personal arguments no matter how tempting it becomes.

Oh NO NO NO your at it already. It's not up to YOU to dictate on what terms PlusNet reps can return to post on this forum or what they can post. PlusNet reps are NOT responsible for company policy or any change in policy and they can only answer to the best of their ability without repercussion from anyone if they get it wrong.

The thread to which you refer put forward the argument, backed up by evidence, that PlusNet are a dishonest company. You were entitled ro argue the opposite but, for reasons best known to you, you chose not to, preferring to attack the poster personally... even after the forum moderator had posted to say: "there are issues within the OP that people can debate if they wish".

It was perhaps because the OP had presented such convincing evidence that PlusNet have been dishonest that no-one argued against the motion. Instead, in time-honoured derailment fashion, a couple of troublemakers repeatedly took their slingshots to the poster -- apparently in frustration that they couldn't muster a reasoned argument to prove PlusNet's honesty.

You can carry on with your disruptive posts and personal antagonisms because the price you demand for civility is too high. Every time anyone posts a criticism of PlusNet you will jump in and attack the poster. Hopefully the moderators will stop you eventually but you can be assured that your silence isn't worth a fig compared to the right to criticise the subject of this forum.

I have to accept that you will never come to terms with some basic facts of life about the purpose of this forum and the constituency of its members. But however disruptive you continue to be in your mission to rewrite the forum rules and to silence crticism about PlusNet from people who you consider to have no right to criticise, I strongly urge you to be civil since the alternative is to admit defeat from the get-go, as well as to risk censure from the moderators.

To help you, I am going to follow an example set earlier and not reply to any more of your posts. Since your recent efforts suggest that you only want to start a brawl, I think it is customers best interests not to engage with you and thereby reduce the noise level which you seem determined to amplify - presumably with the aim of distracting attention from the substance of some well-reasoned arguments which you happen to dislike.

So, goodbye George and good luck.

Simon

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Oh NO NO NO your at it already. It's not up to YOU to dictate on what terms PlusNet reps can return to post on this forum or what they can post.

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I didn't, George. Please read what I posted and it was anything but. I neither own this forum or moderate it, I stated that if the reps returned to posting here they would need to ensure certain things and those have been made clear in my post you refer to.