Wingco - remove blinkers - have a look at the postings that led to the Ban. Nothing to do with the "one liner band" of which you are a fully paid up fellow member..

Personally I hope he has time off for good behaviour and returns as soon as possible.

All this bitterness, martyr and conspiracy stuff is just ridiculous, and reflects some of the entrenched polarised opinions that have bogged this forum down. It is wholly unfair to accuse the moderation team of conspiracy and anti democracy or being in cahoots with Plusnet. This issue needs to be put in perspective against the facts and not the "angle" some would prefer to hang on it.

"As part of this, following a recent issue, we have decided that pr100 should take a holiday from the forum, and as such he will not be posting here for the next three months."

I guess you got tired of snagging nails after sitting on the fence for so long. Your rationale appears to be to cut the administrative overhead of this forum which also placates PN and the numerous emails they send you complaining about pr100 and rsharma. The message this sends me is that if you've got problems with your ISP and your ISP is acting irresponsibly with regard to consumer law, then TBB are not interested and this is not the place to discuss it.

TT

John,

I am truly dismayed to read your post and feel it is an appallingly poor decision on the part of TBB. I am not here to change your mind, nor am I going to try and convince you to do so, but it is only right that I am allowed to voice my opinion on the matter.

I do not always agree with Simon or his posts but I am willing to tolerate opposing points of views because in the majority of cases he has very valid on-topic points to make, and with a powerful conviction to boot. He is also one that has remained clam and professional towards others, even when faced with adversity, trying his best not to get personal against forum posters when he would be only human to retaliate.

Today you have chosen to make Simon an example and, I believe, for the wrong reasons. I think the following sums up my feelings on the matter:

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"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"

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By publicly naming Simon you have done a disservice to both yourself and him. I don't really understand the reason or need you felt to name him and make an example but it was a very poor decision IMO. You go on to state:

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Users may in particular wish to note that we are likely to be less tolerant to comments aimed at users who are absent from the forums on the basis they will not be here to defend themselves.

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Why, then, did you name pr100 in your post when he isn't able to defend the statements being made against him here? Seems a rather odd thing to do.

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We hope that this breathing room will start to change the culture of the forum from a confrontational one to a positive one.

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The remainder of your post leads me to believe that you are trying to curtail the freedom of expression on the forum and without good cause. It also makes me feel that one must walk on egg shells in order to avoid the limitless discretion the owners and moderators could chose to apply, and posts that fall foul of your sensibilities (whatever those might be, since they remain undefined) would not be tolerated. A slippery slope indeed..

Had the convictions and aims been against personal insults or confrontation I would have wholeheartedly welcomed it but that isn't the full picture here. You are trying to artificially change the mood of a forum and that is impossible to achieve. When an ISP is the cause of the problem(s) the forum will naturally be more active than when it is doing well; as directly demonstrable by the lower number of posts in this forum over the last two months. If they continue to improve the reduction in posts will continue too, but naturally so.

Artificial means of restricting people don't work, you just shift the discussion to places where they can be had without them.

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The message this sends me is that if you've got problems with your ISP and your ISP is acting irresponsibly with regard to consumer law, then TBB are not interested and this is not the place to discuss it.

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Agreed!.

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that is ridiculous. The temporary removal of PR100 has nothing to do with those issues, which are debated at length and have been for a long time.

Paddy, look back at some of your responses to Simon. Having done so, can you honestly with hand on heart say you have debated at length with him on these issues???.

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He is also one that has remained clam and professional towards others, even when faced with adversity, trying his best not to get personal against forum posters when he would be only human to retaliate.

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pr100 may have been relentless, but I certainly agree with the above statement.

Calling people liars is professional is it?

Ian

It's hardly a hanging offence is it, unless of course you are a Plusnet Rep.

If it is the case that you have been lied to then yes.

Edited by deleted (Wed 09-May-07 19:25:01)