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BT are nothing short of parasitic scum in my humble opinion.

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What's this, "Free OTT Comment" forum? Grow up!

Looks far from humility in my opinion.

Edited by RobertoS (Tue 11-Nov-08 09:32:23)

Sorry am I not allowed an opinion Mr Moderator, since when?

The whole point of RIN was it used the BT Retail Internet Network unlike the normal Plusnet systems which goes nowhere near it

Edited by deleted (Tue 11-Nov-08 10:16:09)

But my point is, someone who is on Plusnet, should never have had the Webwise screen presented.

Therefore, BT have the facility to put a RIN user from another ISP, NOT their own customer directly, through DPI.

Therefore the RIN must be integrated with Plusnet and BT, for them to act so fast and get it sorted.

Reading the Register, there's an interesting quote.

"The firm reaffirmed its position that it does not use Phorm's system on its network, has not trialled it and has no plans to at the moment."

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/11/10/plusnet_phorm/

Would Plusnet like to take this opportunity to confirm, that they will in fact NEVER implement Phorm? That would then back up their claims that it was a genuine mistake.

The cynic would say, if they choose not to comment or denounce Phorm ever being implemented, then it was possibly not a genuine mistake.

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Would Plusnet like to take this opportunity to confirm, that they will in fact NEVER implement Phorm?

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Bit difficult that as one way the Government could speed up the implementation of its own plans would be to make Phorm compulsory for all ISPs.

Why do you think BT is being allowed to continue with its clearly illegal trials?

You are completely missing the point. No other ISP is using RIN.
This was a trial where a small number of customers (PAYG only) were offered the chance to try out the RIN system which completely bypassed the Ellacoya system and went straight into the BT Retail system (note the Retail). In this case the simple switch was to ensure that the login used by Plusnet on RIN was taken out of the Webwise trial.
With respect to Phorm Plusnet have made their position clear time after time and the Register correctly stated it.
Edit - corrected - thanks jelv

Edited by deleted (Tue 11-Nov-08 11:06:40)

<<<Why do you think BT is being allowed to continue with its clearly illegal trials?

Hence my comment, which I got told to grow up.

Plusnet would still know if they have been approached by the Govt. though, and would still be in a position to say yes we are going to in the future, or no we are not.

<<<You are completely missing the point. No other ISP is using RIN.

No, the customer was a Plusnet Customer not a BT one, what part of that is so hard to understand?

I concede from your explanation, that no other ISP uses RIN, but that does not rule out that BT could have made the same error on any other of their broadband networks, or have BT re cabled all the exchanges to give different scenarios, just in case this was ever to happen?

<<<With respect to Phorm Plusnet have made their position clear time after time and the Register correctly stated it.

With respect, PN have said in the past that they would not implement it, yesterday, it would appear that they stated, "and has no plans to at the moment"

That's a big change of stance, and where I come from, no longer rules it out as a possibility for the future.

Small error there Jim: Plusnet RIN users do not have their own IP range, we get allocated IPs from the same pool as BT's own users. It's our realm [email protected] that distinguishes us, and given how simple it is to tell us apart it makes it even more incredible that BT should foul up in this way.

Incompetent tw*ts!

The difference is when I connect to RIN I connect to a BT gateway. When the user of any other ISP (or all the rest of Plusnet's users) connect it is to a gateway they have bought for the exclusive use of themselves (or their clients).