Morning,

Just asked our Provisioning team about this one. Looks like if it's LLU with MPF we'd place a sim provide for Phone and Broadband, depending on engineer availability for the fibre install it'd be at least two weeks (if it were placed today).

Unfortunately the sim provide isn't guaranteed so if something does go wrong with that there'd be another fibre provide lead time to wait once the phone went active, but while that is worth mentioning it's an outside chance.

Oh - also a MAC wouldn't be required for this, but it would be scuppered if any ceases or cancellations were placed by the losing provider.

Hope that helps,

That's what I thought, but wasn't sure enough to tell the poster .

SIM provides are always risky, as you say. One of the major drawbacks of being on MPF .

There's also a tendency for users to cancel services with the provider without meaning to.

I think it's a good idea for the user to ask for a MAC even when not needed. Helps dispute concellation chages, as long as PN follow the OR procedure for SIMs from MPF.

So, traffic management is managed at an individual level?

I download a torrent file and do nothing else, this utilises my full connection speed...
As I download, I start to watch a Youtube vid or take a VOIP call. Presumably, my torrent file will slow down to prioritise the other services?

Rather than, P2P is managed globally and deprioritised right through the network?

Thanks RobertoS and Matthew for explaining the process.

Am tempted.

In reply to a post by white43:

So, traffic management is managed at an individual level?

I download a torrent file and do nothing else, this utilises my full connection speed...
As I download, I start to watch a Youtube vid or take a VOIP call. Presumably, my torrent file will slow down to prioritise the other services?

That is exactly right.

In reply to a post by white43:

Rather than, P2P is managed globally and deprioritised right through the network?

This also applies HOWEVER, we provision enough bandwidth so that the latter would only happen if we were having problems. E.g. if part of our network failed meaning that the bit that remained was oversubscribed.

This means that in an emergency situation, your VoIP/Gaming/Web Browsing still works, but your downloads would be slower. You can see from of the threads starting on here that people are talking about their P2P and Usenet coming down at full speed at peak hours. We aim to keep that speed.

We think this is a nice feature of the way we do things.

In reply to a post by KellyD:

we provision enough bandwidth so that the latter would only happen if we were having problems. E.g. if part of our network failed meaning that the bit that remained was oversubscribed.

This means that in an emergency situation, your VoIP/Gaming/Web Browsing still works, but your downloads would be slower. You can see from of the threads starting on here that people are talking about their P2P and Usenet coming down at full speed at peak hours. We aim to keep that speed.

We think this is a nice feature of the way we do things.

I think you're onto a winner here as long as it works as described and there's enough bandwidth available.

However, there's a lingering suspicion that you will run out of bandwidth and the emergency situation will become the norm.

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

I think it's a good idea for the user to ask for a MAC even when not needed. Helps dispute concellation chages, as long as PN follow the OR procedure for SIMs from MPF.

You can't get a MAC issued on MPF. Unless you are suggesting a user asks for a MAC even in the knowledge that the ISP is unable to issue one?

In reply to a post by BatBoy:

However, there's a lingering suspicion that you will run out of bandwidth and the emergency situation will become the norm.

Yep. Totally accept that. If it happened, it would be Dave and I getting it in the neck, so we're invested!

In reply to a post by KellyD:

Yep. Totally accept that. If it happened, it would be Dave and I getting it in the neck, so we're invested!

I suppose one thing people are wondering, how your big brother BT are having to throttle people quite heavily, and yet Plusnet are charging less and promising no slowdown. I know you'll tell me "you'd have to ask BT!" but it's a valid thought

One thought - and I have no idea about its validity - is that they have so many customers on the dead cheap Value package who don't use anything like their full allowance that they can