I'm confused - are you answering questions that I have asked 4M2?

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

Anyway, how many LLU suppliers are there in your exchange? Only TalkTalk?

Ah! I've just checked WNMD on SamKnows and just discovered that Sky/Easynet now has a LLU presence (as well as TT) yet still has the Ofcom Classification of Market 2

Yes.

What did "Therefore my previous example CLIFTON doesn't exist according to that PN exchange checker:" mean, seeing as it was followed immediately by Clifton from said checker?
???

To be clear about the proposals:

Market A = exchanges with (a) no broadband, (b) BT Wholesale (BTW) only, or (c) BTW + 1 principal operator only (usually TalkTalk) in (roughly) June 2014.

Market B = all other BT exchanges.

Most Market A exchanges are in the current Market 1 but a number of Market 1 exchanges will be in Market B. There is a further overlay: the controls apply only to IPStream services, i.e. ADSL Max up to 8 Mbps, but not (as proposed) to WBC/21CN services if those are available.

As noted, the proposals imply controls on what BTW can charge for wholesale broadband to resellers at Market A exchanges, including BT Retail, PlusNet, etc. The base wholesale charges are currently about £7 per month plus £60 per Mbps per month for aggregated bandwidth. The detailed figures suggest that this may fall somewhat from April 2014 (when the new control comes into effect) and in subsequent years. Still, a reseller can't cover its costs by reselling BTW services at the prices which TalkTalk, Sky, etc charge for customers at their unbundled (LLU) exchanges.

In simple terms, if you are at a Market 1 exchange today with BTW as the only wholesaler, then nothing much is going to change apart from a gradual reduction in BTW's charges to your reseller. For those who don't realise it, it is what happens to the bandwidth charge that is probably the main driver of the bill that the average user pays - bandwidth revenues are more or less equal to rental revenues and are growing faster.

It was a tongue-in-cheek disproof of your formula ' MA = M1 + M2' as it showed that Clifton disobeyed it.

OK, as you don't seem to follow this:

Clifton is BT + 1 LLU.
Market Drayton is BT + 2 LLU.

Yet they are both shown as Market: 2, Mkt2014: B, contradicting your fiercely held assertion.

Because Ofcom has not done a reclassification exercise for a few years

In reply to a post by gah789:

To be clear about the proposals:

Market A = exchanges with (a) no broadband, (b) BT Wholesale (BTW) only, or (c) BTW + 1 principal operator only (usually TalkTalk) in (roughly) June 2014.

Market B = all other BT exchanges.

Most Market A exchanges are in the current Market 1 but a number of Market 1 exchanges will be in Market B. There is a further overlay: the controls apply only to IPStream services, i.e. ADSL Max up to 8 Mbps, but not (as proposed) to WBC/21CN services if those are available.

Does that mean that if an exchange is 21CN enabled and only has a TT LLU presence it will become MB? Such an exchange could currently be M2 and in a PN "low cost area".

In reply to a post by MrSaffron:

Because Ofcom has not done a reclassification exercise for a few years

Sure, but how can PN give my exchange a possible MB classification when it is still M2 according to SamKnows? I thought PN used those M1/2/3 classifications when deciding if one is in a "low cost area"...

In reply to a post by 4M2:

Does that mean that if an exchange is 21CN enabled and only has a TT LLU presence it will become MB?

Only if there are other providers forecast; otherwise it will be MA.

21CN only comes into the charge control, or lack of, not into the count of providers at exchanges.

I would have thought that you would be glad for it to be MB as surely this will rank as PN 'low cost area'.