All 5 Market 1 exchanges where Orange had LLU now have VM + 1 or 2 LLUs, but I don't know how it was in 2010 when the classification was made.

In reply to a post by XRaySpeX:

All 5 Market 1 exchanges where Orange had LLU now have VM + 1 or 2 LLUs, but I don't know how it was in 2010 when the classification was made.

From your post previously linked to:

"Market 1: £10 pm at all 5 LLU Exchanges incl. THTH, SSWCE"

Does that mean they were former Orange LLU exchanges, now market 1, and offered at the lower price by EE?

In reply to a post by Oliver341:

Does that mean they were former Orange LLU exchanges, now market 1, and offered at the lower price by EE?

That's exactly what I am saying. They were Market 1 when Orange dropped LLU. The complete list of them is:
HATHERN
OXSHOTT
WITCOMBE
WILTON
THEALE

All other Market 1 are charged £10 pm more, as they were never LLU by Orange.

In reply to a post by XRaySpeX:

All other Market 1 are charged £10 pm more, as they were never LLU by Orange.

Interesting, I wonder if BT Wholesale are technically allowed to charge EE a lower price for a given market 1 exchange than that which everyone else pays. I understand preferential rates could be offered since Orange gave BT Wholesale their LLU infrastructure, I guess it must have been ratified by Ofcom somehow for the sake of fairness to competing ISPs.

I imagine EE can blow all other ISPs out of the water, price-wise, on former Orange LLU market 1 exchanges, including even Plusnet.

They didn't just get EE's LLU infrastructure, in fact I imagine that has been discarded in one way or another. They got the whole setup except sales and maybe first-line support.

EE is not an ISP, it is a vISP. Their broadband is white label BTW. As such I imagine the contract between them for services provided can be any price they agree on. The "ISP" prices for connection and data backhaul could very well not be applicable, as those BTW and OR products are not in the contract(s).

I imagine it came out of the negotiations when Orange agreed with BTw for it to subcontract its BB and network. It's not exactly the same as buying services from a wholesaler but forging a whole new arrangement.

There's only 5 exchanges, probably small, to blow the other ISPs out. Probably just a marginal gain (popular with Team Sky Cycling - now's that 1 place Sky is superb).

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

EE is not an ISP, it is a vISP.

Interesting that OFCOM recognises EE in its review, unlike any other vISP (if it is such).

That is interesting. I didn't notice it in the main document, but I was skimming for specific types of information. It doesn't appear as a big boy, whereas O2, (for the moment) does, even though they are/were roughly the same size.

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

I really don't understand what on earth is getting up your nose. Apart from jealously.
......
You should be shouting at the LLU suppliers for being miserable gits and not LLU'ing your exchange.

As someone said, your gripe is in the wrong forum. PN are the only honest ISP in the game in this respect.

I have been paying TWICE as much as near neigbours for YEARS, getting a poorer service, and now the planned 21CN upgrade has disapeared !
You can call it jealousy if you like, it's just plain unfair !

And no, we are not in rural back of beyond, just 8 miles from Kent's capital city, and mere three miles from fibre / Market 3 exchange.

I can hardly blame LLU suppliers if they can see more profit somewhere else,
but I blame OFCOM for a.) assuming it can entice them by keeping prices high and more so for b.) keeping that going whilst has been blatantly obvious it won't work for some 3 years.

I have no propblem with PlusNet, in fact I am very gratefull as their pricing is fairer then all others.
Apart from their adverts, IMHO they are appaling !

MY MAJOR GRIPE IS WITH OFCOM !

I merely asked PlusNet to comment on the new Ofcom proposal, to see if things might get better for Market 1 victims.
Seems, may be little.
Stil, time to write to my MP, who apprently 'lives' literarly round the corner.
(keeps a flat in London, and another house elsewhere.., this is just constituency presence address)
Rgards,
Martin

In reply to a post by martinsq:

I can hardly blame LLU suppliers if they can see more profit somewhere else,
but I blame OFCOM for a.) assuming it can entice them by keeping prices high and more so for b.) keeping that going whilst has been blatantly obvious it won't work for some 3 years.

If it wasn't for Ofcom, you'd be paying more, not less.