"So how to make the join supple enough ??? Maybe even strip the inner cores at differing lengths and solder them together having hooked them into each other ~ I say differing lengths to make sure that no two individual joins overlap and make the whole too thick & possibly this way keep the join supple enough??? But which method would be best for strength???"

Don't solder them; but have the bare-wire overlap about 3+ cms long, wrapping the wires together in the old "PO Joint" (Post Office Telephones Wrapped Joint) manner, then some insulating tape to keep teach individual joint bound.

For the PO Joint, you may have seen similar used on parcel wire wrapping; or still in situ on elderly Overhead lines, using two separate uninsulated wires to pot insulators!

The PO version involves initially crossing "X" shape, the two bared lengths of the wires involved.

Then wrap the end length of one tightly and closely over the continuing length of the other - towards that other's insulation etc.

Do the same with the other "pair/side". etc.

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Regards pulling through holes etc (when reasonably in-line), I find (spring) Curtain Rod of use.

Occasionally when the holes are out-of-line, two separate bits of such rod with open hooks in the ends.

Feed each through the respective hole towards one another until they are likely to be over-lapping.

Then twist one or t'other, to get at least one of the open hooks engaging by twisting with either the other rod or its hook etc.

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Also the flexible metal strip from around "collapsible, folding" Laundry Baskets - the type with woven netting forming the sides..

And you may be able to form/distort it enough to find out-of-line holes.

Edited by deleted (Sat 26-Oct-13 14:06:23)

This week I switched my stock modem cable for a Belkin one and lost a handful of MB. I think I made the dumb mistake of not powering down first.

Reason I bought the cable was that for the first time since activation in April I'd seen a slight speed drop from from 72MB to 69MB. Probably crosstalk but I thought a different/better cable was worth a try. I'll stick with it for another 3-4 days to see if DLM allows the speed to go back up again before switching the cable back.

In reply to a post by eckiedoo:

"So how to make the join supple enough ??? Maybe even strip the inner cores at differing lengths and solder them together having hooked them into each other ~ I say differing lengths to make sure that no two individual joins overlap and make the whole too thick & possibly this way keep the join supple enough??? But which method would be best for strength???"

Don't solder them; but have the bare-wire overlap about 3+ cms long, wrapping the wires together in the old "PO Joint" (Post Office Telephones Wrapped Joint) manner, then some insulating tape to keep teach individual joint bound.

For the PO Joint, you may have seen similar used on parcel wire wrapping; or still in situ on elderly Overhead lines, using two separate uninsulated wires to pot insulators!

The PO version involves initially crossing "X" shape, the two bared lengths of the wires involved.

Then wrap the end length of one tightly and closely over the continuing length of the other - towards that other's insulation etc.

Do the same with the other "pair/side". etc.

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Regards pulling through holes etc (when reasonably in-line), I find (spring) Curtain Rod of use.

Occasionally when the holes are out-of-line, two separate bits of such rod with open hooks in the ends.

Feed each through the respective hole towards one another until they are likely to be over-lapping.

Then twist one or t'other, to get at least one of the open hooks engaging by twisting with either the other rod or its hook etc.

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Also the flexible metal strip from around "collapsible, folding" Laundry Baskets - the type with woven netting forming the sides..

And you may be able to form/distort it enough to find out-of-line holes.

Did some Googling re the PO Joint......................and came up with the Western Union splice................them USA cousins seem to have gotten there first :lol: herehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Western_Union_splice.jpg

Though FWIW it is recommended for solid cores rather than stranded

Edited by deleted (Sun 27-Oct-13 19:17:55)

Can you pull on the existing UTP phone cable from above, assuming you have created sufficient slack cable in the room downstairs, in order to test if it slides through easily. If it does then it might also be possible to pull 2 pair CAT5 through using the splice method. 2 pair CAT5 of a smaller diameter will not carry gigabit speeds but it may be sufficient in the short term for the modem to router 100Mbps connection?

In reply to a post by 4M2:

Can you pull on the existing UTP phone cable from above, assuming you have created sufficient slack cable in the room downstairs, in order to test if it slides through easily. If it does then it might also be possible to pull 2 pair CAT5 through using the splice method. 2 pair CAT5 of a smaller diameter will not carry gigabit speeds but it may be sufficient in the short term for the modem to router 100Mbps connection?

Hi

I have not checked the current UTP phone cable for full mobility as there is furniture a tad in the way but it does move

In regard to 2pair CAT5 I have yet to find any ref to that on network cable suppliers sites. But having said that I was not looking :lol:

So just to clarify ~ Fibre Broadband if you are lucky depending on contract gets a max 80Mbps download speed to the modem and the 2 pair CAT5 is OK up to 100Mbps so is that rather a no brainer for any users of FTTC services as though the internal network can be Gigabit (as some of my connections are ~ my NAS and main PC are Gigabit and I use a Gigabit switch to connect them and the switch to the Router which is not Gigabit) the fact that at the Modem you currently, indeed for the quite long term foreseeable future, can only get the 80Mbps???

Right off to go find sources of 2 pair CAT5.............or is there a CAT5e version of that???

Edit:- OK found a couple of UK sources for 2pair CAT5e but only in bulk and it is FTP and costs a small fortune for 100M i.e. £285 & >£300 odd!!!! A US website has patch cables...................so the search continues especially the spec for the max diameter???

Edited by deleted (Sun 27-Oct-13 22:17:42)

http://www.clarity.it/xcart/product.php?productid=16... is 2 pair 4mm diameter CAT5e, although it�s intended as a "data extension" kit which is a different setup to the one you are considering. However it should be possible to adapt it and use it for 100Mbps ethernet, but please take further advise regarding it's suitability...

BTW. A gentle push from below may ease the phone cable around corners whilst another person is pulling from above since the holes in the ceiling and floor are not aligned.

In reply to a post by 4M2:

BTW. A gentle push from below may ease the phone cable around corners whilst another person is pulling from above since the holes in the ceiling and floor are not aligned.

A very good point. A feed then pull in small amounts is an order of magnitude easier than just pulling.

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

In reply to a post by 4M2:

BTW. A gentle push from below may ease the phone cable around corners whilst another person is pulling from above since the holes in the ceiling and floor are not aligned.

A very good point. A feed then pull in small amounts is an order of magnitude easier than just pulling.

Hope it works, obviously moving furniture and lifting floorboards is currently not an option

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

In reply to a post by 4M2:

BTW. A gentle push from below may ease the phone cable around corners whilst another person is pulling from above since the holes in the ceiling and floor are not aligned.

A very good point. A feed then pull in small amounts is an order of magnitude easier than just pulling.

Hi

Many thanks for the link...........I could find no UK source for 2 pair CAT5e let alone for a white cable which to be frank is a must. The fact that the linked site product has more than I will need in the kit is no problem because as mentioned I will be re plugging it with RJ11 or BT plugs until FTTC comes along..............then doing the plugs to RJ45.

It says it is CAT5e so surely wiring the RJ45's (eventually) will as you say provide 100Mbps but as queried above is that indeed a no brainer. Oh, talking of wiring the RJ45 plugs? I have found all sorts of sites with lovely coloured diagrams for full 8 cores fitting but none for the 2 pair/4cores. Therefore are the colour codes on the linked site "simply" 2 of the colour coded pairs and they fit into the RJ45 in the appropriate pins??? Just thought, is there any reason to assume that the WAN lan port on the Fibre modem is expecting a full 8cores RJ45 even though that port is unlikely to be Gigabit speed???

In regard to cable pulling................point well made and I have done a cord not a cable to cable pull in the past and done it pushing a good metre of cable into a void before pulling the other end

In reply to a post by Routefinder:

It says it is CAT5e so surely wiring the RJ45's (eventually) will as you say provide 100Mbps but as queried above is that indeed a no brainer. Oh, talking of wiring the RJ45 plugs? I have found all sorts of sites with lovely coloured diagrams for full 8 cores fitting but none for the 2 pair/4cores. Therefore are the colour codes on the linked site "simply" 2 of the colour coded pairs and they fit into the RJ45 in the appropriate pins??? Just thought, is there any reason to assume that the WAN lan port on the Fibre modem is expecting a full 8cores RJ45 even though that port is unlikely to be Gigabit speed???

I not sure about the use of 2 pair Cat5e for a 100Mbps ethernet LAN modem to router setup - that's why I suggested you get further advice before considering it's use - I've only used 4 pair solid core for gigabit LAN in the past and wired to rj45 sockets (and long rj45 ethernet patch leads for testing.)