I do admit to having upset you several times by pointing out the incorrect and misleading things you often post. My strictures frequently being corroborated by others.

You did, for a few months, calm down a bit and posted generally useful stuff, but of late you have again gone unreliable.

Note I did not push Plusnet, nor criticise the excellent (but pricey for what it adds) Zen.

The users of residential BT, Sky and TalkTalk broadband, (comprising 80-90% or more of UK users?), must be really losing out not being able to have a static IP address. All those applications that need one, that they can't use. Stop talking tripe!

Nor is the static IP address from Zen "free". It is simply included in the monthly cost.

On the other hand you make assumptions that intermittent connection of internet users in my village are purely down to a BT issue and more specifically relating to the HH5. Where's your facts on that one?

Facebook posts that you haven't linked to constitute fact? Pah! How about this one from you? "From my cabinet, most users are either with PlusNet or BT". That could be the case, but is surely merely your opinion.

For sure it makes a lot of sense to have your own domain name and associated email address but it is not a natural route for home users to take.

I didn't mention that topic. There's nothing wrong with the popular freebies if they fit the user's needs. There is a lot wrong with ISP-specific email.

You did not post just one oversight. You posted a load of well-meaning but misleading drivel, with a small amount of useful content far outweighed by the rest.

You are talking about the somewhat unique O2 email service there I think?

Unique, yes, but O2 email was nothing like that and is anyway now dead.

Guess again! You have seen my addy.

Ah .

You now say the service you use to refute my statement is unique. Fine. I don't feel that really invalidates my original statement.

Not if you are point scoring, no!

I didn't refute it as such; I said it was rude and an exaggeration.

Can't say I've had any real complaints about the service I'm getting from Plusnet.

I have business FTTC, migrated from Sky (Although I'm on the business package it's the main line @ home) and other than a bit of confusion caused by the FTTC > FTTC migration process not being as smooth as it should have been (Short version, Engineer was booked, then it was discovered that one was not needed and such engineer was cancelled but OR seemingly didn't bother to inform PlusNet of that fact)

I did have a bit of a delay when requesting additional IP's but a quick call to support got that sorted

Been reliable and the speeds are generally very good, occasionally seen some slowness to US based sites/services but that could equally be general internet traffic levels or congestion at the remote end given the distance and the number of intermediate networks that is sometimes necessary to transit to reach distant destinations it's to be expected.

My only Gripe really is I'd like PlusNet to hurry up with with their IPv6 rollout but for now I just use a HE.net Tunnel.

I wasn't point-scoring. I am genuinely appalled by many of the chap's dodgy posts. Your intervention on account of what you say is a uniquely good ISP email system takes the focus away from the complete rot I was trying to stop.

Thanks a bunch .

I've since also noticed he is apparently on a Zen Business Connection. Real mainstream stuff, directly relevant to the OP I'm sure.

Thanks for all the post so far - much appreciated.
Apologies if this post has stirred some stuff up - not my intent. Was genuinely concerned after reading all the negative reviews etc of PlusNet - even allowing for the fact that people are quicker to complain that compliment.

However, I seem to be getting a balanced view from the different posts here. It is highly unlikely I will stay with Sky as my wife insists she really does need a working RingBack service - so at the moment it looks like it will be a toss up between PlusNet and Zen.
If the current PlusNet cashback is still on when my Sky contract comes up for renewal I may go well go with PlusNet.

Thanks again all for your comments and speed tests etc. Most useful. Just to confirm that I dont need a static ip address and I dont need an ISP email address either. I have my own domain registered etc,

Edited by umernalla (Mon 16-Jun-14 11:57:51)

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

I do admit to having upset you several times by pointing out the incorrect and misleading things you often post. My strictures frequently being corroborated by others.

You did, for a few months, calm down a bit and posted generally useful stuff, but of late you have again gone unreliable.

Note I did not push Plusnet, nor criticise the excellent (but pricey for what it adds) Zen.

The users of residential BT, Sky and TalkTalk broadband, (comprising 80-90% or more of UK users?), must be really losing out not being able to have a static IP address. All those applications that need one, that they can't use. Stop talking tripe!

Nor is the static IP address from Zen "free". It is simply included in the monthly cost.

On the other hand you make assumptions that intermittent connection of internet users in my village are purely down to a BT issue and more specifically relating to the HH5. Where's your facts on that one?

Facebook posts that you haven't linked to constitute fact? Pah! How about this one from you? "From my cabinet, most users are either with PlusNet or BT". That could be the case, but is surely merely your opinion.

For sure it makes a lot of sense to have your own domain name and associated email address but it is not a natural route for home users to take.

I didn't mention that topic. There's nothing wrong with the popular freebies if they fit the user's needs. There is a lot wrong with ISP-specific email.

You did not post just one oversight. You posted a load of well-meaning but misleading drivel, with a small amount of useful content far outweighed by the rest.

I will allow you to take the moral high ground and allow others to judge whether in fact I do post "a load of well-meaning but misleading drivel". If absolute sources of reference were given every time, then everyone would get quite bored and would often not be able to sort out the wood from the trees.

Internet provision is a very price sensitive market place, so that anything that can be taken out of the equation that has a price tag, and is probably unlikely to be needed by the end user initially, is not provided. There just happens to be a good percentage of those that want the full internet package and pay the extra sums to get it. 'Inclusive' or 'Add-on' are pure semantics by you.

A fixed IP is an extra dimension to the internet experience, I simply predict it will become more widely used in the future as more wish to touch base with applications running back home. Twenty years ago I never imagined that the internet would be so persuasive to reach almost every home in the land, let alone being able have a fast, affordable "always on" connection. So sneer as much as you like about the concept of a fixed IP because its time will come and when it does it will be that the minority of subscribers that won't have one.

At a local level in our village we encourage users to record their geographical location and their connection speeds to build up a map of what to expect and in the process capture their chosen IP. Results are pretty detailed and show a very high percentage of users either using BT or PlusNet. We seem to have one particular cabinet that is not giving predictive speeds to many connected to it. From what I can gather a resolution seems to be the need to replace that cabinet.

You say this time around that "There's nothing wrong with the popular freebies if they fit the user's needs" and yet earlier wrote that anyone using an ISPs email facilities "needs their head examined". Why use such language? Fitting a "user's needs" doesn't enter into the equation; a user gets connected and uses the ISPs email facility or a web based facility. No initial consideration is given to what will happen to their email address should they every change ISPs. It's an educational exercise to make sure that everyone knows the pros and cons of taking the easy option.

We are of course in the PlusNet section of TBB so the OP is unlikely to get an unbiased opinion of other ISPs offerings. I am sure PlusNet's service is absolutely wonderful for the majority at a low price. Oddly enough PlusNet don't have 100% of the market place, so their offering[s] is clearly not for everyone.

In reply to a post by trolleybus:

A fixed IP is an extra dimension to the internet experience, I simply predict it will become more widely used in the future as more wish to touch base with applications running back home. Twenty years ago I never imagined that the internet would be so persuasive to reach almost every home in the land, let alone being able have a fast, affordable "always on" connection. So sneer as much as you like about the concept of a fixed IP because its time will come and when it does it will be that the minority of subscribers that won't have one.

What a stupid statement!

If you are talking about fixed IPv4 addresses that will never come about because there are not enough IPv4 addresses to be able to do that!

For IPv6 it's up in the air what will happen. The Plusnet trialists have fixed IPv6 addresses although if they connect via one of the bng gateways they are given a dynamic IPv6 address. (Incidentally the bng gateways seem to be giving IPv6 connectivity to all users who connect to them at the moment). As there will never be a shortage of IPv6 addresses, giving anyone who wants one a static address won't be an issue.

The best advice would be to steer well clear of any ISPs who don't either have IPv6 already or appear to be well on the way to rolling it out.