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In reply to a post by baby_frogmella:

You may also want to consider pulse8 who are supposed to be as good as AAISP but without the eye watering prices:

Those fibre prices are totally eye-watering compared with Plusnet's. For the record, I have had now slowdown or congestion problems at all, but I realise that doesn't help those that have.

My price when I was with PN was £36 a month for phone and FTTC so not really that bad if the extra gives better support?

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In reply to a post by mlmclaren:

PS. If Sky LLU is available it might be worth looking at Sky Fibre Pro...

Does Sky use LLU to deliver their fibre? I was not aware that Sky LLU had to be at an exchange for that as it uses BTW network? Or is it a case of they use their own backhaul and so without LLU there wouldn't be one at the exchange?

Genuine question to clear up some confusion and greatly appreciated.

AFAIK Sky uses LLU from the exchange for fibre connections too, I assume that areas where Sky LLU is not available but FTTC is might use BT Wholesale to get to Sky's network like Plusnet does currently... This could also be compared the same to Sky's Connect Service...

In reply to a post by mlmclaren:

In reply to a post by AAuser27:

In reply to a post by mlmclaren:

PS. If Sky LLU is available it might be worth looking at Sky Fibre Pro...

Does Sky use LLU to deliver their fibre? I was not aware that Sky LLU had to be at an exchange for that as it uses BTW network? Or is it a case of they use their own backhaul and so without LLU there wouldn't be one at the exchange?

Genuine question to clear up some confusion and greatly appreciated.

AFAIK Sky uses LLU from the exchange for fibre connections too, I assume that areas where Sky LLU is not available but FTTC is might use BT Wholesale to get to Sky's network like Plusnet does currently... This could also be compared the same to Sky's Connect Service...

AFAIK Sky (and Talktalk) can't offer you a FTTC connection if they haven't unbundled your exchange.

In reply to a post by mlmclaren:

AFAIK Sky uses LLU from the exchange for fibre connections too, I assume that areas where Sky LLU is not available but FTTC is might use BT Wholesale to get to Sky's network like Plusnet does currently... This could also be compared the same to Sky's Connect Service...

Sky and TalkTalk use the Openreach fibre to get the speed from your home to the exchange but it then connects to the Sky or TalkTalk networks, not the BTwholesale that Plusnet, BTretail, and others use.

The thing about fibre is if you are on a smallish exchange, the fibre may go to a neighbouring town, the distance doesn't matter once you've hit the cabinet.

In reply to a post by AAuser27:

Does Sky use LLU to deliver their fibre? I was not aware that Sky LLU had to be at an exchange for that as it uses BTW network? Or is it a case of they use their own backhaul and so without LLU there wouldn't be one at the exchange?

Genuine question to clear up some confusion and greatly appreciated.

Sky FTTx uses Openreach GEA-FTTx products, connecting to the Sky network at the handover point (via a connection sometimes referred to as a Cablelink). These handover points are at the exchange or at a nearby larger exchange. Sky don't use the BT Wholesale backhaul network that companies like Plusnet and BT Retail (for Infinity) use.


BT Wholesale and TalkTalk run wholesale FTTx backhaul networks.

Sky runs a FTTx backhaul network that they only use for their own products (unless I've missed a wholesale announcement from them).

Zen run a FTTx backhaul network for their own use from many handover points. Unlike Sky and TalkTalk, Zen will use BT Wholesale to provide service when they don't have presence at the relevant handover point. I believe Zen now offer wholesale service, but might be mistaken on that.

In reply to a post by baby_frogmella:

AFAIK Sky (and Talktalk) can't offer you a FTTC connection if they haven't unbundled your exchange.

That is true - but it may not be your exchange but the exchange where the FTTC ends.

Also Sky/TalkTalk have to buy what is known as a GEA-CableLink from openreach, which connects their LLU kit to the FTTC kit. Sometimes this takes a couple of months between a cabinet going live before this link is in place.

In reply to a post by baby_frogmella:

AFAIK Sky (and Talktalk) can't offer you a FTTC connection if they haven't unbundled your exchange.

That would make sense.

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In reply to a post by mlmclaren:

AFAIK Sky uses LLU from the exchange for fibre connections too, I assume that areas where Sky LLU is not available but FTTC is might use BT Wholesale to get to Sky's network like Plusnet does currently... This could also be compared the same to Sky's Connect Service...

Sky and TalkTalk use the Openreach fibre to get the speed from your home to the exchange but it then connects to the Sky or TalkTalk networks, not the BTwholesale that Plusnet, BTretail, and others use.

The thing about fibre is if you are on a smallish exchange, the fibre may go to a neighbouring town, the distance doesn't matter once you've hit the cabinet.

Ok that's good to know... Yes I already was aware of the setup with Sky and TT LLU on Fibre just thought it might use Wholesale for when theirs no LLU but then I now remember hearing about fibres going to alternate exchanges for service so thanks for the reminder

In reply to a post by mlmclaren:

In reply to a post by baby_frogmella:

AFAIK Sky (and Talktalk) can't offer you a FTTC connection if they haven't unbundled your exchange.

That would make sense.

That is not correct. Sky can and do offer FTTC at their non-LLU exchanges. Indeed BT run FTTC at exchanges which do not have WBC.

Openreach do this by running fibre from the smaller (non-LLU non-WBC) exchanges to a nearby exchange which does have LLU and WBC. The backhaul from the larger exchange, in the case of Sky, is then handled on their own network, as it would be with LLU.

I dont know about that, I am not near manchester.

However I do think plusnet were using the manchester issues as a shield or at least hoping the manchester issues were the reason for our problems.

The manchester issue was resolved a week or two ago.

To say your speeds have been fine shouts "Im alright jack" so everyone else must be.

You havent stated how many different endpoints you have been on during that time and why you believe the majority of customers dont have this issue (which may not be immediately obvious to many light users).