I can't even get phone and ADSL2+ for £36 from PN on Market 1.

OK, I had neglected the inclusive line rental, for which I apologise, but it is still significantly higher than Plusnet for the 500GB package - which is the nearest they do to unlimited as far as I can see - even on Market 1, and way, way more than I pay.

There are a very vocal minority that are reporting issues pretty vociferously.

All those I've had have been traced back to BT Wholesale issues. I've been on the same PN gateway for over a month and performance has been fine.

The joys of having 900k subscribers I guess.

Ignition if you have read and mine and kitz posts, you will see we have said once on a good endpoint the performance stays good.

The test is when you move to a different endpoint and see what happens then.

Given BTw routing is static in and around the exchange area how do you explain the performance variation based on connected endpoint?

Plusnet have even admitted now to saturated endpoints and are stating they carrying out upgrades, they wouldnt be saying this is if all was fine.

The problems are so bad, I have held of a router firmware upgrade, because I am too scared to lose this endpoint.

That's great - thanks for the explanation

Ah yes I forgot about companys who work in the 80s when the rich had better costs than the poor. or in their case market areas.

I didn't actually comment much on anything beyond my own experience, however:

In reply to a post by Chrysalis:

Given BTw routing is static in and around the exchange area how do you explain the performance variation based on connected endpoint?

It isn't static 'around the exchange area' if exchanges have more than one path out of them. In my own exchange's case a capacity issue was relieved by spreading from using a single path out of the exchange to using three by adjusting OSPF costs.

Thats the thing though, BT who dont appear to be having the same problem or for that matter Sky FTTC arent hugely much more expensive and are both unlimited too.

In reply to a post by barker04:

Thats the thing though, BT who dont appear to be having the same problem or for that matter Sky FTTC arent hugely much more expensive and are both unlimited too.

There is also contract length and calls to consider. I don't think BT or Sky do calls for 0.8p, per second billing and no call connection fee, let alone no contract tie-in even for fibre. personally, I put good service and no tie-in at the top of my list over saving a couple of quid. We pay exactly the same £26 to EE at our other home - Total nightmare by comparison!

Fair point but most folks dont want to stump up £38 a month for fibre when it can be had elsewhere cheaper, and for the most part to a good standard, talktalk business being one example.