Thanks Bob. was aware of most, just that the new classification seems not to have been implemented. Other than that, I was under the impression that Market A & 1 led to no change in priced from those where it had a bearing - Another case of call it what you like, but the product stays the same.

In reply to a post by adslmax:

I am getting so FED UP with increasing line rental. Greedy Plusnet!

I am going elsewhere when my contract with fibre is expiry.

Your loss Plusnet. The reason for PN to increase line rental and calling plan because they kept giving new customers discounts so we are paying every penny back!

While I do think it is about time we had a naked dsl line system in this country, i can understand why Plusnet and other telecom companies put up the priuce of line rental and other charges.

People are using their home phone less these days than ever before, I have not used my Plusnet phone once since I have had plusnet about three months ago.
I have got a sipgate VoIP phone mainly to take calls on and I use my mobile to make calls.
My bill will go up by a quid a month, so not too bad, but I still think i am paying for nothing. Maybe I should start using the phone, just for the free evening and weekend calls.

As soon as an alternative network option arrives I believe Plusnet will be sent on their merry way, as VDSL will become my backup with very little, if any, traffic going across the line under normal operation.

Line rental is ridiculous and the constant practise of hiding increasing broadband costs in line rental increases should be addressed.

Not at all bothered by paying £37 a month for the right Internet connection, resent that £17 of it is for a line used for virtually nothing besides as a VDSL bearer, and what £37 a month would buy elsewhere, without paying line rental.

I would say Plusnet have been looking at the financials and realised the 40/20 on 80/20 deal wasn't viable, and the 80/20 price wasn't covering the bandwidth bill anymore.

Given usage is increasing 40-60% per year this is hardly a surprise.

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

People are using their home phone less these days than ever before,

The issue is that yes Landline Phone's are barely used anymore... with more and more people opting to plug them out as paying for calls package when one's mobile contract now has Unlimited Minutes and on most networks the sound quality is so much more superior to a house phone.

The other issue with landlines is that as there primary use now is DSL and if theres issues with the cables to and from the exchange or cabinets then it costs to repair or replace those cables.

So no landlines are not being used any less...

In reply to a post by Ignitionnet:

I would say Plusnet have been looking at the financials and realised the 40/20 on 80/20 deal wasn't viable, and the 80/20 price wasn't covering the bandwidth bill anymore.

I'm surprised it last as long as it did... but it did pull the customers in... what those customers choose to do next is will be interesting but it depends on their requirements..

In reply to a post by Ignitionnet:

As soon as an alternative network option arrives I believe Plusnet will be sent on their merry way, as VDSL will become my backup with very little, if any, traffic going across the line under normal operation.
Not at all bothered by paying £37 a month for the right Internet connection, resent that £17 of it is for a line used for virtually nothing besides as a VDSL bearer, and what £37 a month would buy elsewhere, without paying line rental.

This sounds to me like Gigalcear are coming near your place then.
If so then in practice you still pay a 'line rental' component to them - its just that it is hidden in the overall price.

In reply to a post by zom22:

In reply to a post by Ignitionnet:

As soon as an alternative network option arrives I believe Plusnet will be sent on their merry way, as VDSL will become my backup with very little, if any, traffic going across the line under normal operation.
Not at all bothered by paying £37 a month for the right Internet connection, resent that £17 of it is for a line used for virtually nothing besides as a VDSL bearer, and what £37 a month would buy elsewhere, without paying line rental.

This sounds to me like Gigalcear are coming near your place then.
If so then in practice you still pay a 'line rental' component to them - its just that it is hidden in the overall price.

The man could be talking about VM as well. £37 will get more than FTTC speeds without any line rental at all. This naked DSL should be an option across all ISP packages although in my view £10 a month is also too much for the bearer.

In reply to a post by zom22:

In reply to a post by Ignitionnet:

As soon as an alternative network option arrives I believe Plusnet will be sent on their merry way, as VDSL will become my backup with very little, if any, traffic going across the line under normal operation.
Not at all bothered by paying £37 a month for the right Internet connection, resent that £17 of it is for a line used for virtually nothing besides as a VDSL bearer, and what £37 a month would buy elsewhere, without paying line rental.

This sounds to me like Gigalcear are coming near your place then.
If so then in practice you still pay a 'line rental' component to them - its just that it is hidden in the overall price.

That's how I and most would prefer to be charged for the providing of the service... not call it something else.

The naked DSL will be no different, because if the ISP's offering naked DSL, then they will added £16.99 on the broadband for the non-line rental cost. Just like Virgin Media did on standalone broadband without line rental but they still charged hidden line rental on the broadband cost.

In reply to a post by adslmax:

The naked DSL will be no different, because if the ISP's offering naked DSL, then they will added £16.99 on the broadband for the non-line rental cost. Just like Virgin Media did on standalone broadband without line rental but they still charged hidden line rental on the broadband cost.

Naked DSL would be very different because the customer wouldn't be getting lied too...

If I'm told its £40 a month to provide my connection, then it's £40 a month....

Someone tells me its £23 for my broadband and then I have to pay £17 for the line but then the cost of providing that line is lower than it was in the first place, I start to feel like I'm being taken for a c***.

Virgin gave a discount to those who took the line because it was more profit for them... and if they had there way they would of probably only charged £5 for the line but all have to stay in line with the leader which is BT.... it's one of the reasons Virgin isn't putting landlines in on new networks these days.

The fact is all increases to line rental in recent years has been related to Broadband... but for some reason the UK don't like paying for Broadband..

Yet they will pay 100's for a pair of headphones that cost about 50p to manufacture and promote...