Surely it is easy enough to get your line back to BT, providing nothing goes wrong, and in my opinion why would you want to go back to BT, the phone line rental is cheaper with sky and if you are on sky broadband LLU then you cant complain as it just works, well it does for me.

In reply to a post by tommy_boi:

Why do people have a problem with going fully unbundled, i've got my internet from sky and my telephone from them and cant really complain, so what is the big issue with doing this, or am i missing something?.

My other post I believe partly explains this. Going full LLU is great. Leaving full LLU is known to have some issues. If you want to move to an ISP that isn't full LLU then you have to first get your phone line over to another phone provider (eg BT). Only once the line is back under someone else's control can you order broadband. So, the time it then takes to order and install broadband you are without your broadband service. That for me is not something I want to live with.

Ofcom sorted this almost completely with partial LLU but have not provided a similar requirement for full LLU (ie MACs are irrelevant). If the LLU industry are moving over to the full LLU model then Ofcom need to enforce a MAC process for full LLU the same as they do for partial otherwise it just acts as a lock-in.

I may well go back to BeThere next year as their broadband actually does function better at my place and I would get my static IP back. If I went with sky for full LLU then I would have downtime of anywhere up to 2 weeks as I would move my landline back to someone else and then have to order broadband. That is too much hassle.

In reply to a post by ian72:

I think the bigger problem is going from full LLU to partial LLU. If you try and go from full LLU to BT line rental and a separate ISP (whether LLU or BT Wholesale based) then you generally have to get the phone line back to BT before you can place any order on it.

There exists a system called Simultaneous Provide which attempts to get landline and broadband provisioned on day 1: http://usergroup.plus.net/simprovideorders.php

I know this system doesn't always work 100%, and isn't supported by all ISPs, but a system does exist.

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In reply to a post by ian72:

I think the bigger problem is going from full LLU to partial LLU. If you try and go from full LLU to BT line rental and a separate ISP (whether LLU or BT Wholesale based) then you generally have to get the phone line back to BT before you can place any order on it.

There exists a system called Simultaneous Provide which attempts to get landline and broadband provisioned on day 1: http://usergroup.plus.net/simprovideorders.php

I know this system doesn't always work 100%, and isn't supported by all ISPs, but a system does exist.

Indeed. But, as you say doesn't work 100% and when it goes wrong it can be disastrous.

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In reply to a post by zyborg47:

Also, if I have to move suppliers for any reason, sky would have been my first choice, but now they are not a choice at all, I will not go fully unbundled,

I tend to think like that myself. However it is widely accepted that LLU broadband is better than BT Wholesale broadband in many cases, and Sky's move means that two of the three major LLU providers will only take on customers who are prepared to go fully unbundled.

The question is, if the exchange only has Sky and TalkTalk LLU, is it worth keeping the broadband on BT Wholesale just for the sake of keeping the phone on BT Wholesale too?

If my exchange did not have Cable and Wireless then I would still be on the Bt network, I would not not have gone with Talk talk, even if they was not fully unbundled, I don't do talk Talk for anything.

The network I am on is only unbundled for broadband, simple and easy to move if I want to.

If i was not on the cbale and wireless network and when sky did come here i would have gone for Sky, but at that time they did not force people to have line rental. I doubt they will try and force people who don't have line rental and already use their broadband to change.

In reply to a post by adebov:

I fail to see how this is any worse than BT Retail insisting on you having line rental with them, in order to take BT Broadband.
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In reply to a post by tommy_boi:

Why do people have a problem with going fully unbundled, i've got my internet from sky and my telephone from them and cant really complain, so what is the big issue with doing this, or am i missing something?.

Because it is a pain in the neck to change providers and can be costly.

It is just a way of keeping customers and in my opinion it is wrong and should be stopped or moving from one supplier to another should be improved.

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In reply to a post by ian72:

I think the bigger problem is going from full LLU to partial LLU. If you try and go from full LLU to BT line rental and a separate ISP (whether LLU or BT Wholesale based) then you generally have to get the phone line back to BT before you can place any order on it.

There exists a system called Simultaneous Provide which attempts to get landline and broadband provisioned on day 1: http://usergroup.plus.net/simprovideorders.php

I know this system doesn't always work 100%, and isn't supported by all ISPs, but a system does exist.

this sort of system should be supported and the government should make sure of it. Ofcom is a total waste of time.

In reply to a post by ian72:

Indeed. But, as you say doesn't work 100% and when it goes wrong it can be disastrous.

To be fair I haven't heard horror stories recently. That could be because the system is improving, or very few people actually know about the system yet.