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Standard User therioman
(knowledge is power) Wed 19-Jun-13 23:39:32
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Re: How long a wait for GEA link, once a cab goes live?


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I agree with the principle of your argument but the numbers are wrong on the subscriber counts.

BT Infinity had 400,000 as long ago as December 2011, and I have a feeling it's 4m plus now.

TalkTalk last I heard was coming up to 1m (I think)

the rest get what's left.

BT do have a very dominant position on FTTC as pretty much every single time I discuss fibre with them, they think BT Infinity is THE option and are amazed anyone else can even offer it.
Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Wed 19-Jun-13 23:45:46
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Re: How long a wait for GEA link, once a cab goes live?


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Both are wrong on numbers of customers

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/news/5833-bt-group-pub...
1.3 million on Infinity

Another 200,000 spread over the other providers.

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/news/5847-talktalk-res...
TalkTalk 73,000 fibre customers.

Sky is unknown, but will be growing as now advertising it on TV

Andrew Ferguson, [email protected]
www.thinkbroadband.com - formerly known as ADSLguide.org.uk
The author of the above post is a thinkbroadband staff member. It may not constitute an official statement on behalf of thinkbroadband.
Standard User deleted
(deleted) Thu 20-Jun-13 17:03:20
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Re: How long a wait for GEA link, once a cab goes live?


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Ahh.. Thanks Andrew, for the up-to-date figures.

73,000 FTTC subscribers nationwide still seems vanishingly few. It would be interesting to see them listed by exchange or exchange size or market type. What criteria is TalkTalk using to enable roll-out fibre to its LLU'ed exchanges? Some customers have waited months (and some are still waiting) for TalkTalk to rollout fibre at their exchange.

TalkTalk is uncharacteristically downbeat in its forecast of future fibre take-up. That from an aggressive company which is legendary for bombarding us with relentless marketing.

The same forecast is also punctuated with renewed grumbles about the lack of a "level playing field" and repeated allegations of BT abusing its market dominance. [1]

Sour grapes for sure. But it's almost as if TalkTalk doesn't really wants to enter the fibre market as a major player. At least not until those regulatory issues are resolved. It's a shame, especially as it will be months or even years before there's a legal outcome, whether or not in TalkTalk's favour.

Whatever anyone's views on TalkTalk and its level of service (admittedly dire at times) it's almost universally agreed that the company has played a big part in driving down the cost of residential internet provision (and take-up). It's unwillingness at the current time to get its gloves off fully in the fibre market is disappointing.

cheers, a

[1] http://www.talktalkgroup.com/~/media/Files/T/TalkTal...


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Standard User _Resonance_
(regular) Thu 20-Jun-13 17:17:31
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Re: How long a wait for GEA link, once a cab goes live?


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I could order Sky fibre straight away, so you might be lucky and not have to wait.

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Standard User iand
(fountain of knowledge) Thu 20-Jun-13 18:08:04
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you are right there is no way of knowing, but if after 2 weeks its not there then you can order infinity...

IanD
Standard User iand
(fountain of knowledge) Thu 20-Jun-13 18:41:47
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I was checking each day for about 1 week. It then started accepting orders via sky. I then ordered and here I am...

IanD
Standard User deleted
(deleted) Thu 20-Jun-13 19:19:45
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Those numbers make the assumption underlying Openreach's pricing, an FTTC take up of 20% of homes passed, seem rather pessimistic.

Certainly the deployments I've seen around here seem to be quite optimistic about take up, over 95% of them being the biggest 288 Huawei.
Standard User ian72
(knowledge is power) Fri 21-Jun-13 08:41:31
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Re: How long a wait for GEA link, once a cab goes live?


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I would guess talktalk are downbeat on fibre because they don't have quite the same very low price for fibre as they do for ADSL. At £15 for the top package that is only £5 cheaper than a number of other providers who have better reputations.

I suspect most people will look at it then go with one of the other providers. I can't even tell from the website if there are any download limits - normally if there aren't then "unlimited" is plastered everywhere but I can't easily find anything either positive or negative about any limits.
Standard User Chrysalis
(legend) Fri 21-Jun-13 09:07:40
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wel I have observed talktalk seem very late in getting their GEA link enabled in activated areas. Plus in terms of advertising I have only seen BT and sky adverts. I think I have seen plusnet ads on youtube. None whatsoever from talktalk.

I am not a fan of talktalk, so they get no sympathy from me as I still believe they single handedly trashed the adsl market years ago. They simply drove the percieved value of broadband down to the floor.

What we seeing now with companies seemingly loss leading on broadband is a situation talktalk started.

BT Infinity 2 Since Dec 2012
Standard User Chrysalis
(legend) Fri 21-Jun-13 09:09:42
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yes my guess is talktalk want a situation where they can do something silly like sell FTTC for a fiver.

in terms of the topic.

I went with infinity as I was been impatient, but I think within 2 weeks sky had enabled the exchange.

BT Infinity 2 Since Dec 2012

Edited by Chrysalis (Fri 21-Jun-13 09:11:13)

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