Further to this, the current method to extract the Sky user/pass is to plug the Hub into a PC and use Wireshark to sniff the DHCP packets to obtain it.

Since the new Hub has a VDSL2 modem integrated, it's quite possible that this method is now impossible.

In reply to a post by Oliver341:

Since the new Hub has a VDSL2 modem integrated, it's quite possible that this method is now impossible.

Good time to try the O2 PPP login - assuming you can get a separate VDSL modem.

Both BT and Sky need to implement Modem Mode; shades of Virgin Media DejaVu here :-/

In reply to a post by jchamier:

In reply to a post by Oliver341:

Since the new Hub has a VDSL2 modem integrated, it's quite possible that this method is now impossible.

Good time to try the O2 PPP login - assuming you can get a separate VDSL modem.

Both BT and Sky need to implement Modem Mode; shades of Virgin Media DejaVu here :-/

Agreed. Even though SuperHub 2 is vastly superior to the infamous SuperHub 1 and even to BT's Home Hubs 4 and 5, Virgin have learned that modem-only mode is a must. No ISP is going to provide the full router experience in their combined modem routers. A full router with services such as static ips and a VPN end point would create too many things to go wrong. ISPs just provide basic gigabit routers with WiFi as good as they can.

In this situation it is absolutely essential to give a modem-only option, so users requiring the service of a proper router can easily use one.

Edited by deleted (Sun 24-Nov-13 16:51:15)

What does modem only-mode allow you to do that can't be done any other way???

In reply to a post by 5km:

What does modem only-mode allow you to do that can't be done any other way???

You can get a router of your choice instead of relying on the router part of the hub.

Standalone routers offer many more utilities. Compare this for instance Asus RTN66U with the Shub 2 or the Home Hub 5.

I'll ask the question again in a different way...

What does modem-only mode allow you to do that can not be done with port forwarding or if you're lazy DMZ to the 2nd router's IP?

In reply to a post by 5km:

What does modem-only mode allow you to do that can not be done with port forwarding or if you're lazy DMZ to the 2nd router's IP?

a) Avoid double NAT
a i) Host VPN servers. Most break if you go through double NAT (even DMZ mode).
a ii) Some corporate outbound VPNs break if you go through double NAT.
b) Run IPv6 tunnels

Just the first few I can think of.

Yes I agree it's best to avoid double NAT ... however:-
I connect to my work VPN through a double NAT, it works fine.
No one has any need for IPv6 yet as everything is IPv4 compatible still.

I am tempted to replace my existing dual band router for an Acer RT-AC56U though...

I'd rather replace with a Mikrotik Cloud Core router and a Gbit WEES but I'm a residential user and don't need / can't afford that set-up.

In most cases having two routers and double-nat probably works ok.

However from a "network perfectionists" point of view, ideally there would be one router on the LAN, and it would host the WAN IP address whilst feeding out LAN IP addresses via DHCP, with the addition of switches if required.

I douby Sky will care but about all that, and the new Hub will probably not have a modem only option. Happy to be wrong though!

Might be slightly academic though, as I'm not sure the Asus routers support authenticated DHCP over WAN anyway.

You may need to change the firmware http://www.avforums.com/threads/sky-fibre-3rd-party-...