Thats a ridiculous argument.

They absolutely do have a duty to point out that all providers are not compatible with their systems. The don't because people would never sign up to them. Not exactly open and honest

I agree that providers could have moved quicker on something they have known about but Ofcom taking action next years says it all. They all need their heads banging together.

Anyway I'll be off as soon as the price increase comes in. All the Sky employees and fan boys can post here and defend them in a vacuum

In reply to a post by Briangazza:

All the Sky employees and fan boys can post here and defend them in a vacuum

I've never been with Sky, am unlikely to go to them (never say never), but have been LLU with TalkTalk in past.
Sky are doing nothing wrong, they are using a 'system' set up by OfCom to allow more competitive services.

ISPs all have many duties laid down by Ofcom. They don't have the duty to track the migration policy of every other ISP. Your criticism of Sky would equally apply to TalkTalk and Vodafone who also use LLU (as do many who use talktalk wholesale products).

Ofcoms change next year is to cover the moves between completely separate networks such as Virgin media, CityFibre etc. As I understand it the only obligation would apply to the losing ISP, they aren't going to force every ISP to accept orders to migrate from any other ISP. Its quite possible a smaller ISP will still chose not to accept less straightforward migrations.

Do you know that you can't convert a VM line to an OpenReach line and vice versa?

indeed 66.
Until next year when the new Ofcom requirements kick in. I'll avoid digital phones until then

Not a fan boy, was with Sky many years ago but not since. LLU was encouraged by Ofcom as a way to increase competition but only a few of the larger suppliers could afford to implement it. LLU has been around for over 15 years (wikipedia shows there were already 210,000 unbundled connections in 2006 - not sure when it started).

And as has been mentioned Virgin are not required to state that you can't migrate a Virgin connection to another provider - this is essentially the same although at a different level in the network and a number of providers are able to take migrations from LLU, it is just that the smaller providers have not made the investment to do it despite the number of years it has been around.

I understand your frustration but Sky are using a technology that has been around for a very long time and was encouraged by Ofcom and touted as one of the key drivers of Ofcom's strategy to get market diversity.

How is Ofcom going to allow a docsis system to be converted to a fibre setup?

Converting a VM line to an OR line isn’t possible, what is possible is for a customer on a BT type line to port their phone number to VM, and reciprocally, a VM customer ( with a VM allocated number ) is able to port their number to a BT type line supplier …the first number ports were fundamentally that, in the main BT customers , 25-30 years ago being ‘won’ by the cable industry and transferring their BT number to the cable operator, and because it was possible , that in time , the BT monopoly would simply replaced by a cable monopoly, the cable industry had to export their numbers to BT , should BT ‘win’ a cable customer with a cable company allocated number.
The entire number portability offer is reciprocal, if a Telco wants to be able to port other Telco numbers in, they also have to have the ability to port their own numbers out….

Edited by Iniltous (Sat 26-Feb-22 13:11:09)

I think we all know that numbers can be ported but that is not what is being discussed.

In reply to a post by broadband66:

Do you know that you can't convert a VM line to an OpenReach line and vice versa?

If you already knew, this post is little odd and equally off topic