In reply to a post by Myth:

I think it is an important issue which should be investigated fully. Getting personal about each other just blindsides the actual issues, and plays directly into the hands of those who don't want the truth to get out.

If it is so easy to register and read the whole thread on Hatari's site (it is, I've done it) and the reason the thread is private is to help with tracking the stalkerbot, then there is no reason not to copy the whole thread somewhere else which is publicly viewable. This doesn't have to be a place where people can add their own comments, it can just be copy on a Hatari owned domain maybe.

On the face of it, it is easy to say copy the topics elsewhere. Not quite as simple as it sounds, you are saying close phoenix down, plus that would require another domain name, plus more disc space etc. In addition, the Stalkstalk stalker follows people so if Phoenix is not operating it will not follow people to Phoenix. Then there comes the problems of managing things and quite honestly, I have enough to do answering TalkTalk correspondence at the moment. The expectations that some people seem to have are just not workable.

Phoenix has never been a publicly viewable site that is what the members wanted.

If anyone wants to read what has been going on with Talktalk they are welcome to register
the-phoenix-broadband-advice-community.co.uk/index.php and read all three topics.

If anyone wants to read what has been going on with Talktalk they are welcome to register
the-phoenix-broadband-advice-community.co.uk/index.php and read all three topics.

There you go, you just proved everything I said in my last post to be true.

no, i'm not saying close phoenix down, so ppl will still go there as it is their forum, and TT will still follow. I'm saying copy the words from one thread to another place, not the forum or the forum tools, if you want people to read them. You say your reason for re-privatising that thread wasn't to gather more registered users. The people who wish to write on that thread still need to go there and register even if the words are published elsewhere.
Disk space on 30 pages of forum....text only.... probably not a worry.
Domain, no idea...£5 a year? I dunno, your the expert here.
Managing it...I think you have some moderators initial convert might take a while, but updating wouldn't take more than a few mins a day.
I think everyone agrees that phoenix WAS publicly viewable, and this is part of the problem.

Now, don't get me wrong, I've followed your story with ongoing interest, and as I've said I think it is very important, and to that end I worry that are losing support of people here, and I just suggest a solution. It may cost you a bit, it may create difficulties with copywrite, and it may weaken your case in the future, your ppl will know if this is true. You could probably copy the latest posts here with Andrews consent of course and avoid most of your issues with it.
Up to you of course, you have to balance out the various things and decide, but you will get judged on what you choose to do.
Hope you take this in the spirit intended, a way of increasing support for your cause.
regards, Mytheroo

In reply to a post by Jack_Hackett:

As I said "the thread is dead long live the thread"

There have certainly been some determined efforts to take it off-topic, but I think the main subject may well still have mileage in it.

I therefore declare this sub-thread officially expired, along with speculation as to the motives behind threads on other forums being moved.

Scroll up (or down if you're using threaded display) to find the non-locked posts.

Edited by billford (Sun 22-Aug-10 15:55:18)

In reply to a post by sean_r:

TalkTalk following users

Details at ......

Just to inform TBB members (since no-one else is doing so) that the 'Stalk' story can also be read and followed on an OPEN forum, not requiring membership, as Phoenix do,


http://www.talktalkmembers.com/forums/showthread.php...

You can usually judge the seriousness of a situation with an ISP by the number of people who decide to leave, on principle, directly as a result of some action by that ISP.

i know what i'm talking about having done so myself!

In this particular case, i have only read of a couple of people leaving TT, although there may well be more, of course.
But, either way, it does suggest that most TT customers are not overly concerned by the present events, suggesting that maybe some sad individuals may well be looking to cash in on the situation.

Well, good luck to them, and good luck to TT

But, either way, it does suggest that most TT customers are not overly concerned by the present events, suggesting that maybe some sad individuals may well be looking to cash in on the situation.

I posted in the thread when it first started that I didn't believe a company as big as TT would have entered into this without first taking legal advice or being very sure they were not breaking any laws, I think like myself customers (that have read the thread at TT) are now waiting for the outcome of the police investigation and are not overly concerned.

In reply to a post by Jack_Hackett:

But, either way, it does suggest that most TT customers are not overly concerned by the present events, suggesting that maybe some sad individuals may well be looking to cash in on the situation.

I posted in the thread when it first started that I didn't believe a company as big as TT would have entered into this without first taking legal advice or being very sure they were not breaking any laws, I think like myself customers (that have read the thread at TT) are now waiting for the outcome of the police investigation and are not overly concerned.

And the hole gets deeper http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1729239/tal...


UK ISP Talk Talk tried to talk itself out of the hole it dug when it announced a malware scanning service to automatically snuffle through the webpages that its subscribers visit.

Not surprisingly some customers voiced their concerns at the possibility of their ISP knowing exactly what they were browsing on the web. That led Talk Talk's managing director Clive Dorsman to try to calm fears that it was about to again unleash a Phorm-esque web monitoring system on its customers.

Dorsman reiterated that Talk Talk's scanning system will be opt-in, so unless users actually sign up to the service, they shouldn't worry about having the firm check out their browsing habits. He said that the system does not record who sends the request to the website, saying, "The system simply records the destination website URLs; it does not record who sends the request or other personal data with the URL."

Also Dorsman said that HTTPS traffic is not checked, meaning the system just assumes that sites with SSL certificates are clean. If only all security measures were so forward thinking.

Apparently Dorsman doesn't realise the source of his customers' anxiety, saying, "Being located in the TalkTalk network, the system is subject to the same high level of security applicable to the TalkTalk network and TalkTalk's customer data. The process is not dissimilar to how we record voice traffic." We think you'll find, Mr Dorsman, that having the system within your firm's network is precisely what your customers are worried about. And as for recording voice traffic? Well we're sure that will reassure your customers no end.

Describing, or rather dumbing down, what Talk Talk's web scanner does, Dorsman said, "The system scans website URLs for malware and other viruses and then places each website URL in a white list (if the scan is clean - this is retained for up to 24 hours and then automatically deleted) or a black list (if the scan shows viruses, malware or other irregularities - this is retained for up to 7 days and then automatically deleted)."

Apparently the volume of data being recorded means that it is stored in a "temporary electronic state", with Dorsman claiming that it is not in "conventionally accessible storage". Well, that's alright then, as it's just on a sort of scratchpad but not actually, you know, recorded, innit?

Nevertheless, if you are worried, don't be, as Dorsman says Talk Talk will reveal more nearer the rollout of its web scanner. That is if you can wait that long to be assigned your MAC code. µ

Nevertheless, if you are worried, don't be, as Dorsman says Talk Talk will reveal more nearer the rollout of its web scanner. That is if you can wait that long to be assigned your MAC code.

I see you have also posted this in the TT thread -

http://www.talktalkmembers.com/forums/showpost.php?p...

Well as Ive said countless times the thread here is dead and so is the one in the TT forum , you and the clique are the only ones keeping both alive and bring nothing new to the thread, as for people leaving i think its time you realised once and for all until the police investigation has finished no one is going anywhere.

Have a nice day.

In reply to a post by Jack_Hackett:

Well as Ive said countless times the thread here is dead

Something of a non sequitur there Jack... and whilst you are entitled to your opinion, it's not your decision.

Something of a non sequitur

I cannot argue with that.

Edited by Jack_Hackett (Mon 23-Aug-10 18:21:59)