Wiring help urgently needed please :~)

Hi All

I hope this is the best fora to ask for this sort of help???

I would appreciate your help and guidance as follows:-

Firstly, where I started from! I have the iPlate and into that my microfilter and the usual connection of my phone wiring i.e. the BT Plug and the RJ11 which I had run up to the upstairs bedroom office where I connected a flying BT connector using the full wire set (green, white, red & blue) into this was linked a short BT to BT cable into my surge protection which has a BT plug "in" and a BT plug "out". From the BT "out" I have a BT plug to RJ11 adaptor with lead to the Thomson 585v7 input.

This has been fine but now the question that needs your help & guidance

We had various mains wiring done today (nothing to do with the Broadband just extra sockets and an outside light) and whilst the floorboards were up I asked the guys to allow me to reroute my BT cable that comes through the floorboards... no problem but the one that was helping me commented about the "BT cable" not being the best i.e. the flat type. He offered to run me some Twisted Pair type of cable ~ great very helpfull person ~ now my question???

This twisted pair cable has the following 3 pairs in it - Green with white splodges/white with green splodges : Orange with White splodges/White with Orange splodges : Blue with White splodges/White with Blue splodges. I hope that makes sense.

So just how do I wire this new cable up because AFAIK (looking at the cable that attaches to the Router) has just two wires on the central two connectors of the RJ11 plugs?

I have some BT 4 way plugs (431A type) which I will need to attach one of in the office/bedroom to plug this into my surge protection. At the other end though I need an RJ11 to plug into the microfilter but as mentioned I only have the crimping tool for the BT 431A plug and the last time I looked a tool to crimp the RJ11 is very expensive so hope to attach the other BT 431A plug and get a 431A to RJ11 adaptor But how do I use the twisted pair cable to make the cable up i.e. do I use one pair separated and cut off the other two pairs at the sheath (if so which colour is the convention to use?) or do you keep the twisted pairs in pairs and attach the all three 'pairs' to their own connectors in the BT 431A plugs.....just a tad confused!

Many thanks in advance for some detailed guidance on how to treat the "pairs" sets and which connectors to connect to in the 431A plug i.e. 2,3,4,5 ???

blue to 2, white/blue to 5, orange to 3. That's all you need.

In my opinion, I'd not be putting the line through the surge protection at all. Just terminate the cable upstairs in a 'normal' extension socket, and plug the lead to the router into a microfilter there.

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/images/faq/faceplates/...

Take a peek, suspect cable will look similar to this.

Blue with White splodges/White with Blue splodges connect to pins 2 and pins 5 respectively and then in same pins at the other end

I would suggest wiring the cable they fit to like the one in the photo and wire it into a socket like http://www.adslnation.com/phpapps/catalog/product_in... for which the backbox is included in the £8.99.

A little more than the usual microfilter, but neat and tidy

Or if worried, I would suggest checking without the surge protector to see if it makes a difference.

The master socket should have some protection built into it already

Hi Zarjaz and Andrew

Many thanks for the rapid reply, much appreciated

Yes, the picture linked to does look like the cable given to me. I surmise not linking the other one of the orange pair is the bell wire position so unneeded.

Edit - do actually need the "orange" wired to position 3 ??? I have forgot to say Andrews wiring is the same but for the Orange being used???

The reason I am sensitive about surge protection was before we had the new NTE5 BT faceplate style socket we had a lightning strike locally - it struck a nearish neighbours satellite dish and blew out the phones lines isn something like 20 houses in the area, ours included (at that time this was pre BB) I was FRIACO and the surge protection saved my Modem and the phone etc. Risk aware I hope rather than risk averse!

I think for convenience now I will wire up using the two 341A plugs and as suggested make plans to place a filtered socket as pointed to.

Thanks one again for the qualified feedback

Edit - for record as noted the smaller RJ11 has two wires and these are connected to the 2 central connectors whereas the BT plug wiring advised uses the outer most connectors, do I surmise rightly that the BT to RJ11 adaptor (and vice versa) join up appropriately - a blindingly obvioous question for sure but jsut looking at the pin out positions on the adaptor it looks counter intuative ???

PS On a just about related note ~ as part of the (re)wiring we now have a new consumer board with MCB's and RCD protection. In my chat with the electrician he said that compared to old style wired fuses these are a lot less tolerant of very small changes in the house wiring and where an old wired fuse would be OK an MCB can 'break' thus causing loss of power in the house so he suggested getting a UPS (was on my plans for a while because we do get at least once a year outages). So any thoughts as to best make & model number to look at???

Edited by deleted (Fri 22-Oct-10 00:03:36)

That picture is standard wiring. ring wire would be pin 3 and if you have an iplate connected or not should make no difference.

Have used MCB for years in properties, and they generally only flip if you have some dodgy equipment.

UPS - use laptops for that and 200Ah of 12 Battery charged via solar power if it gets bad.

In reply to a post by MrSaffron:

That picture is standard wiring. ring wire would be pin 3 and if you have an iplate connected or not should make no difference.

Have used MCB for years in properties, and they generally only flip if you have some dodgy equipment.

UPS - use laptops for that and 200Ah of 12 Battery charged via solar power if it gets bad.

Ah! just pins 2 and 5 it is then

Ref: MCBs fair comment and their comprehensive checks revealed an odd fault (neutral to earth on a fused spur for the central heating) sorted AOK

Hmmmm! UPS only for desktop systems for sure

Right, I have found what is called a BT to US adaptor at Maplins i.e. BT Plug to RJ11

Link here http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=12492

Hi guys

I have now connected up and for the record:-

Before I shutdown I was synced at 3904 for something over 14 days

However, new sync came up as 3008, thinks try new Gateway. Resync'ed and got 2944

Oh well, must be patient and let the dreaded DLM see what it makes of the 'improved' wiring.

Thanks once agin for the help & pointers

2 and 5 only, the bell wire just becomes an aerial and picks up any [censored] throughout your house.

ensure that you use an extension socket to terminate the wire in and not a master...dead easy to tell, there are no additional components on the pcb of an extension.

the dslam may cut back sync speed if it sees a disconnection so give it time