Non-NTE5 master sockets?

So is there any reason that VDSL would be impacted by using twin BT master socket such as this one

currently I just have an NTE5 with a filter hanging out the test port and interested in having a 2nd line in the future was thinking about installing a twin socket or even 2 master telephone modules.

Looks OK. Even has a test socket for each.

If you do get a second line, don't Openreach install them and make the decision? My guess is that it's normally a second NTE5. Do they even offer dual master sockets any more? That one has an older BT logo, not an OpenReach one. I see you can get dual masters on eBay, but one of those might raise suspicions if you fit it yourself.

Yes, Openreach will be a bit [censored] about installing a 2nd line to that sort of socket, however theres no way they're installing another NTE5... this will be impossible without destroying my new builds walls and looks...

The socket is no longer provided by Openreach and to be honest I would probably be looking a pair of MK modules to fit into a single gang faceplate.

I'm sorry if this sounds ignorant but, I don't really care what Openreach think, as far as I'm concerned they have fitted a faulty NTE5 that won't pass the DSL signals and now it don't work unless a filter is plugged into test socket and because the issue is past the test socket Openreach are saying they will charge to visit and fix... and I'm not going to argue with BT to get them to argue with Openreach and risk charges over an ugly socket that I don't even want.

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

Even has a test socket for each.

I don't know about that, it just has IDC's on the back and 2 jacks, not test sockets AFAIK

I'm not asking. I'm saying . I checked a picture of the insides.

Two capacitors and two sockets.

Oh right, yes I've looked at those pictures also

If you're looking at the back of the LJU 4/1A twin master socket, it has no test sockets. The sockets you see on the reverse are simply the back of the sockets coming through from the front.

You can't plug anything into this from the rear as it's a mirror image and the keyway stops the telephone plug fitting.

The point about a test sockets is that it disconnects extension wiring. The LJU 4/1A doesn't have that facility.

You are saying two things there. The important one you are obviously correct about, there are no test sockets as the extension wiring won't be from the faceplate.

As far as I know I was looking at the insides. I can't give you a link from this iPad, but posted one earlier today in General Chatter, about a wiki article having the pics removed. The second link I give there is to the archive version. (I've emailed wiki about it).

Ah - are you saying the gubbins is part of the faceplate onto an empty box or even just a hole in the wall?

Edited by RobertoS (Fri 29-Jan-16 01:07:40)

Extension wiring, if there is any, does indeed come from the back of the double socket faceplate. You can see a diagram of the wiring here. What you see in the picture I linked to is everything. That does fit onto an empty box/hole in the wall.

Every extension socket will need its own microfilter.

Edited by caffn8me (Fri 29-Jan-16 06:43:38)

Sorry for butting in here, I won't be and never intend to use extensions on my line... as it stands the line is going to be come data only anyway,

this due to the line receive nuisance calls and I plan to moved the line onto an SOGEA service when the current deal ends and SOGEA becomes public, so chances are I might just buy an RJ11 socket instead

So a standard NTE5 faceplate won't pass DSL signals? There's really nothing in a standard (rather than filtered) faceplate. It's effectively just a plug, some IDC connectors (for extensions) and a socket. I assume that there was no extension connected to the faceplate which might have screwed up the ADSL signal.

As far as the master is concerned, then it is an OR issue in that it's the official demarcation between domestic and OR cabling. It could cause issues if there's a problem. If you could find a proper (BT branded) double master socket off of eBay then that might disguise it.

I believe the issue is actually the Interstitial plate that was installed for Fibre.... or maybe a coincidence and there a faulty connection on the mast itself...

I'm sure at this moment what to do as I don't want the interstitial plate as it sit out too far pushing a sideboard out further and I also want all the sockets behind the side board to match...

this is a brand new apartment after all and I think its a shame to have horrible pointy sockets looking out of place on the wall, however saying that I cannot find the socket that was originally installed by Developers and now starting to think the Openreach engineer may have taken it with him...

However I'm not going to start shouting about that as I've no proof, though I will be inquiring with my neighbours as too the whereabouts of there sockets.

That's easy enough. Just remove the Interstitial plate and use the standard faceplate (or get one off the Internet). If you aren't using the phone, you don't even need a micro-filter. The sort of standard lead used to connect a phone will do the job (BT phone plug to RJ11).

Doesn't solve the second line issue of course.

Were they normal sockets or those weird modular things some developers fit that are a PITA?

Yes I'm aware this is an option, however still doesn't solve my issue with ugly socket and Openreach didn't leave the screws to attach the front plate back to the socket so is also not an option

normal... not the cheap modular ones

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

Were they normal sockets or those weird modular things some developers fit that are a PITA?

I'm considering buying a modular socket though, however this will be MK Electric one which don't look cheap and [censored] like some other modules

I just brought a used 'BT marked' twin socket off eBay, will see how I get on with it when it arrives.

In reply to a post by mlmclaren:

I'm considering buying a modular socket though, however this will be MK Electric one which don't look cheap and [censored] like some other modules

Don't! There are better quality modules especially the ones from Krone - now part of TE www.te.com/bns and they are often cheaper. You can use an MK modular face plate and install whichever you wish.

Well recived and fitted the twin master brought off ebay, its seems to be in alright condition and can't say Ive seem any issues since fitting it...

My DSL stats aren't much to go on at the moment due to the sudden activations of around 6+ lines in the building so my 116mb max attainable has now shrunk chunk by chunk to 91mb...

Hopefulky it doesnt carry on declining as ot has been...

SNR is sitting around 9db compared to the 16db when first activated :L

Looking into cheap providers for second line now, might have a peak at TalkTalk..