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Standard User cancunia
(newbie) Sat 05-Dec-20 08:45:26
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ADSL Loop Extender / ADSL DSLAM in All in One Cab?


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Hope you don't mind, I've posted the same query on Kitz..

I've just been given a £300k 'quote' by BT under the Universal Service Obligation for upgrading my long line 3Mbps ADSL to FTTP. I don't need or want FTTP, I simply want something better that 3M, even 5 would be better.
I'm wondering if there are any technologies out there that can be used to increase the bandwith without a Full Fibre connection?
There's an All In One cabinet about 2 miles from my house that serves a group of houses near to the cabinet, my long line ADSL goes through the cabinet according to BT, so I'm wondering if an ADSL DSLAM could be installed in that cabinet or some kind of ADSL Loop Extender could be used in the the cabinet or at the exchange.
Are BT still putting miniature fibre cabinets on top of poles ?
Any thoughts welcome?

Edited by cancunia (Sat 05-Dec-20 08:46:49)

Standard User dect
(fountain of knowledge) Sat 05-Dec-20 09:16:14
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Re: ADSL Loop Extender / ADSL DSLAM in All in One Cab?


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BT Openreach did do a proof of concept for a service called 'Long Reach' VDSL which during its trial did improve speeds for some but it wasn't seen as the way forward as I believe all ADSL would have needed removing from cabinets using the LR-VDSL technology which I believe made ISP's with kit in the BT exchanges very unhappy.

Here's a link to the Withdrawing of LR-VDSL

To be honest I think ADSL line cards are technically possible but I don't recall seeing any news to say it will ever happen although someone else may know something different.

Edited by dect (Sat 05-Dec-20 09:33:53)

Standard User witchunt
(experienced) Sat 05-Dec-20 09:42:25
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Re: ADSL Loop Extender / ADSL DSLAM in All in One Cab?


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Openreach looked at Adsl from DSLAMs but dont think it went further than a proof of concept due to the issues of Crosstalk to both VDSL circuits and existing exchange based ADSL, requiring high level of power restriction which meant little widespread benefit. There was also the issue of cabinet capacity, plus the need to support a small scale product across a geographically large business.
They stopped installing pole mounted DSLAMs several years ago. Probably in part because of the support and maintenance issues.

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Standard User dect
(fountain of knowledge) Sat 05-Dec-20 09:54:42
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In reply to a post by witchunt:
OPENREACH looked at Adsl from DSLAMs but dont think it went further than a proof of concept due to the issues of Crosstalk to both VDSL circuits and existing exchange based ADSL, requiring high level of power restriction which meant little widespread benefit. There was also the issue of cabinet capacity, plus the need to support a small scale product across a geographically large business.
They stopped installing pole mounted DSLAMs several years ago. Probably in part because of the support and maintenance issues.
Knowing your posts well I know you must have put OPENREACH in shouty speak for a reason smile
Standard User witchunt
(experienced) Sat 05-Dec-20 09:58:09
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I was being lazy. It came up in the shortcut on my phone as I started typing
Standard User cancunia
(newbie) Sat 05-Dec-20 10:07:46
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Many thanks for the swift replies.
Looks like my USO dreams are over!
Standard User kitcat
(experienced) Sat 05-Dec-20 10:48:50
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cancunia

Your USO hopes may be over but you may be able to get more than 3Mb, have you considered trying mobile BB. Many USO cases are likely to be solved by mobile BB. You may not get the full 10mb which is why you have been quoted £300k .

It does require some investigation but not a lot of spend.

If you have a 4g or 5g smart phone obtain PAYG sims with £5 or £10 on. from the major operators and try them out side to find the best signal, then do a speed test on here looking for the best one.

Many people have discovered that they can get more than they expected, post the results and others can then give you guidance on the steps required to get a basic outdoor aerial ( unless your indoor signal is good) .

Some people have been lucky and got much more than 10Mb even in rural areas.

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Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Sat 05-Dec-20 11:10:02
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In theory if BT thought the EE 4G signal would deliver 10 Mbps or better they'd have used that, so no real point spending money on any EE network SIM. Though would be a good expose of the USO problems if you were to get a USO capable connection over 4G and BT had not known it was possible.

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Standard User cancunia
(newbie) Sat 05-Dec-20 11:12:54
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I think the mobile signal to my house is served by the masts at Cadwell Park, unfortunately it's over the brow of a hill which makes the reception very poor indoors and only just about usable outside. I'm thinking that an external antenna would make 4G reception much better, maybe to the point of getting data speeds better than I get from ADSL. The problem will be that on race days, throughput will be compromised.
I have complained to my MP about the £300k BT quote, maybe BT will get a bit more imaginative about a solution. I've read elsewhere that it's not BT Openreach who are responsible for USO quotes, but big BT, so maybe that's why they came up with the numbers so quickly.
Standard User kitcat
(experienced) Sat 05-Dec-20 11:58:46
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cancunia

If you can get an external antenna high enough it is like ly to improve it. Race days against other days is your balance. It is possible to keep the ADSL for those days and suffer the lower speed.

As Andrew says BT are meant to consider mobile BUT will only have looked at EE other networks may do better.

The £300k quote may well be accurate for FTTP, especially if you are a single house. A mobile repeater on a higher point may suit you better but powering it is the (expense) difficulty and BT are unlikely to have looked at it.. Also not worth the cost for a low speed service.

Lincolnshire Wolds are going to be full of cases like this as houses are often in the dips some way from anywhere.
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