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Standard User theflyingdodo
(newbie) Thu 08-Feb-07 14:08:22
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Snow & Speed Increase!?


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Hello All,
I have been on the Be Unlimited network for over a month now and have been happy with everything concerning Be, although a little more speed is always welcome!

Imagine my surprise this morning, not just at the amount of snow that had fallen but the Belkin F5D9630-4 router which would never sync higher than 6722kbps was doing so at 7117kbps! A couple of recycles later and the router had a sync level of 7201kbps. In the past month the sync rate has been steady during the day between 6650 - 6722kbps and between 5700 - 6000kbps after sunset. As of 1100 a resync by the router itself brought the sync rate down to around 6850kbps and since then sync rates have been slightly lower than they were prior to this morning and the weather changed about that time too. No other meteorological events seem to have affected the line in the last month.

The setup includes 2 extensions as well as the master with ADSL Nation filters on all sockets with readings that are generally the same across all sockets, but the router lives on the daisy-chained 2nd extension. The data stream is interleaved and the residence is 2.857km from the exchange, so say Be. Here are the stats from this morning with 'normal' ones in brackets.

Data rate 7201 1200 (6717 1023)
Noise Margin 6.1 5.8 (6.3 8.1)
Output power 20.1 12.4 (19.6 12.4)
Attenuation 50.5 28.0 (46.0 27.8)

Any ideas concerning what happened?

Thanks,
Standard User deleted
(deleted) Thu 08-Feb-07 14:34:54
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Can snow block RF intereference?
Heavy rain can intefere with radio and block out sky TV.Maybe snow can block RF from the phone lines.
Standard User deleted
(deleted) Thu 08-Feb-07 14:49:02
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Don't know about blocking it, but it's possible that low temperatures can reduce the noise generation within cables. I've seen debate on this effect in other years, and I don't think a firm conclusion was ever arrived at.


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Standard User adebov
(knowledge is power) Thu 08-Feb-07 15:29:37
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but it's possible that low temperatures can reduce the noise generation within cables.

Maybe the copper has contracted (due to the low temperatures) and the OP's line is a bit shorter than it used to be

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Giving UKFSN/Entanet a try
DL Sync 4000kbps
UL Sync 448
Standard User deleted
(deleted) Thu 08-Feb-07 17:20:41
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I think that was suggested last time, along with ideas about superconductivity, etc. I'm not sure that a change of 15 degrees or so would make a big difference ?

Standard User pitnicker
(knowledge is power) Thu 08-Feb-07 17:51:13
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it's possible that low temperatures can reduce the noise generation within cables.



Low temperature will have this effect, but will probably be drowned out against the background of crosstalk and general ambient noise from other electrical sources. The low temperature is reducing the resistance of the copper cores and reducing attenuation. This in turn allows the line to attain a slightly higher speed.

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(deleted) Thu 08-Feb-07 22:28:06
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Nice theory, but shouldn't my routers be reporting a lower line attenuation ? Neither are, but since the snow my sync rate has gone up a little.

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(deleted) Thu 08-Feb-07 23:07:09
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I seen that a few years back on another line i was connected to. Never did figure out if it was the snow or not but it was gone when the good weather came back some time around july
Standard User pitnicker
(knowledge is power) Fri 09-Feb-07 06:50:34
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Nice theory, but shouldn't my routers be reporting a lower line attenuation ?



Not necessarily, because the change may not quite register on a decibel scale, although for a 10degC difference, the effect on resistance is significant [see here]. However, it would tend to bring some marginal fail frequency bins into use, possibly with a disproportionate effect on speed.

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Standard User orly
(committed) Fri 09-Feb-07 12:08:29
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snow = cold = contraction = shorter line length

orly?! ya rly!
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