In reply to a post by dave2150:

It's already pathetic that brand new houses in this country are provided with the same communication technology hardware as they were 60 years ago - copper and aluminium cables.

Quite simple:

If the developers are willing to pay for the install then BT will install whatever the customer wants. However, most want to cut corners and save money so will opt for the absolute minimum they can get away with.

There are more players than BT that can supply broadband to new build estates too.

True, however, they will not pay for those services to be installed either.

Perhaps the answer is for people to stop buying these homes, or if a builder promised good Internet for lawyers to earn their money

In reply to a post by MHC:

Quite simple:

If the developers are willing to pay for the install then BT will install whatever the customer wants. However, most want to cut corners and save money so will opt for the absolute minimum they can get away with.

This seems somewhat shortsighted, given that the bulk of the cost of deploying fibre is getting it in the ground, and if they're already having to undertake major works to bring in and distribute copper as part of their USO, it should be fairly easy to add some fibre into the mix too.

It's bad enough that we use FTTC as much as we do, but not deploying FTTP to all major new developments is just ridiculous.

This seems to be understood by other telcos, but not BT it seems. I don't have to worry that the developer hasn't got the local electricity/water/gas companies to put in a suitable connection, why do I have to worry about telecoms?

The developers pay for new electricity, water, gas and sewage services to be installed.

What is the point of BT bringing fibre to the boundary of an estate if the developers will not put the infrastructure in place to run it to individual properties?

I think that is what sor is saying.

The developers have to provide the other three, plus street drainage and sewerage. They should have to provide ducting for fibre. End of.

Edited by RobertoS (Tue 02-Feb-16 11:28:11)

No, they do NOT have to provide gas or mains connected sewage.

I agree that yes they should provide suitable ducting for fibre and the underground distribution ducting however they often will not. The finger is then unfairly pointed at, primarily, BT as well as the others.

I'm not pointing a finger at BT. I'm pointing it at the developers. So is sor.

Allowing for the fact mains-connected sewerage cannot sensibly be provided at a very few unusual sites, I'd like to see a developer sell new houses without it these days.

Edited by RobertoS (Tue 02-Feb-16 12:01:16)

As did I in my original comment.

I know of one development where there is only ADSL Max available - no ADSL2+ at the exchange. There is also VDSL however EO prevents that option. The exchange is less than 100m away ... and no, the developers will not provide any extra capabilities or ducting. The lines are provided from two poles which happen to be on the estate boundary.