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(deleted) Sun 07-Aug-16 23:07:51
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Re: Speed problem that not even my ISP could undertand


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So, I've tried turning off my IPv6, I don't see anything different. With that turned off, I've recheck verything
So, this is what my profile on sky says:
My broadband

So, checking that, I'm afraid that my connection speed is just 13-20 Mbitsps, so following this webpage
18 Mbps = 2.2 MB/sec, something similar to my results, because I write it wrong and I download at 1.3-2 MBps

As you said, the speed tests tell me the information in Mbps and my downloads in MBps

So, problem solved... I was a fool frown, sorry for being a noob that doesn't know how to read properly :/

Anyways, my problem now then is to try to make that my computer dont "take all the internet" whe it's downloading, even if that slow down my downloads (I prefer to download 800kb/s and be able to use my browser than download at 1300 but had all my devices working very bad)

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(deleted) Mon 08-Aug-16 00:44:57
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I'll pick up on just one thing in response to this. And that is regarding Steam.

The Steam Client provides a way to throttle the bandwidth used when downloading new games or game updates - I think it also applies to when the application downloads its own updates also.

In the Steam Client, goto Settings (either from the Steam menu or the View Menu). Select Downloads from the list on the left of the Settings window. Look for the Download Restrictions part of that page and on the right hand side you should find "Limit Bandwidth To" with a drop-down box underneath it. Use the drop-down to select what amount of bandwidth to allow the client to use when doing downloads. Be sure to note whether the options are in KB/s or Kb/s - there is another option on that same page that allows you to choose whether to display downloads in Bytes or Bits and I think it changes what is displayed in the drop down list as well as the download rate displayed when actually downloading something.

As noted previously, the Sky router (SR102) is appalling at allocating WAN bandwidth to multiple LAN devices if one of them tries to monopolise all the downstream capacity.

Generally I have Steam throttled to about 50% of my DSL download speed so that other devices can actually even browse websites without timeouts. For huge updates, I just pause them in Steam, then remove the throttling and kick off the downloads when I go to bed.

That will solve Steam grabbing all the bandwith. But for all the other stuff, you have no real options other than either:
a. doing downloads / torrents overnight while you sleep
b. replacing the Sky router with something that can apply somewhat intelligent QOS (Quality of Service) prioritisation based on the traffic type. (Alternatively, an additional router that can do the same between the Sky router and your network devices, such that the Sky router effectively becomes a dumb DSL modem).
Standard User ukhardy07
(knowledge is power) Mon 08-Aug-16 01:17:34
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Anyways, my problem now then is to try to make that my computer dont "take all the internet" whe it's downloading, even if that slow down my downloads (I prefer to download 800kb/s and be able to use my browser than download at 1300 but had all my devices working very bad)


There are 3 methods to help:

1) Get a fibre connection with Sky, having 10Mbps upload means things are less likely to become saturated and slow down as much
2) Get a router that supports QOS
3) Switch to an ISP with a router / network which prioritises traffic

Now in my experience, QOS is not a silver bullet, but it does help a little.

A lot of ISP provided routers (not Sky though) have WWM on their routers, this basically prioritises traffic, Plusnet also do traffic prioritisation at a network level. It helps a fair bit, but again, if you are downloading it will never be the exact same experience as using a clean connection.

http://kb.netgear.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/221/~/...

https://www.plus.net/help/broadband/about-traffic-pr...

Sky is a pain, since there is no QOS, no network prioritisation and the router is also quite poor generally, so combined the experience can suffer. That said, ultimately, even with QOS etc, I find it can still suffer, it is just not AS bad.

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(deleted) Mon 08-Aug-16 10:43:44
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In reply to a post by ukhardy07:
1) Get a fibre connection with Sky, having 10Mbps upload means things are less likely to become saturated and slow down as much
2) Get a router that supports QOS
3) Switch to an ISP with a router / network which prioritises traffic

Now in my experience, QOS is not a silver bullet, but it does help a little.

A lot of ISP provided routers (not Sky though) have WWM on their routers


QOS is tricky especially if you want it downstream.

If your wireless is faster than your internet then WWM alone is still not going help you, though if you are gaming a lot then wired is going to be better anyway.

I've been doing my own QOS/nat for years, but then only with ipv4, I would probably be faffing around for quite some time if I had to get it to work in front of a semi locked down router with ipv6.

I don't know what routers will do downstream QOS. Though I haven't used openwrt, I assume it would be possible with that as it's just linux and that's what I use already.
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(elder) Mon 08-Aug-16 10:48:37
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I think he means use upstream QOS to reduce what is available to the streaming service. That reduces the downstream usage by it and frees upstream for the gaming. Win-Win, and maybe some wins.

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(deleted) Mon 08-Aug-16 12:30:26
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You can't (in practice using the QOS tools available) control downloads by restricting upload, it's just way too complicated and you won't know what numbers to use.

Pacing empty upstream acks is a theoretical way to limit downloads, but you would need some special and complex software to do it properly.
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(deleted) Mon 08-Aug-16 13:10:03
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Downstream is restricted by upstream ACKs being congested by other upstream data. You can help this by using QOS to prioritise upstream ACKs.
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(deleted) Mon 08-Aug-16 14:01:17
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True, but that's not what he said.

The observation that flooded upstream hurts downloads is related in the sense that it shows scope for limiting download using upload, but in practice doing it in a controlled way with any normal QOS methods doesn't work.
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(deleted) Mon 08-Aug-16 15:17:42
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He said WWM which is nonsense.
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(deleted) Mon 08-Aug-16 16:13:28
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In reply to a post by BatBoy:
He said WWM which is nonsense.


I guess my lack of quoting doesn't help esp. if reading flat but -

Different "he". I started talking about acks after RobertoS said -

"I think he means use upstream QOS to reduce what is available to the streaming service. That reduces the downstream usage by it and frees upstream for the gaming. Win-Win, and maybe some wins."

I had previously said that WWM wouldn't help.
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