In reply to a post by jpm:

That's what I mean, the people who use a landline and have corded handsets dotted around the house plugged into extensions must be miniscule. I would bet that within the minority of people who use a landline phone, those who don't have a DECT system are an even smaller minority.

There's a job in policy & decision making waiting for you in BT.

In reply to a post by jchamier:

Rather than blaming BT you may want to review Ofcom’s guide

Will that be the Ofcom with real powers, a determination to use them to make broadcasting, telecommunications & postal industries, and online video-sharing platforms behave, and a proven track record of using those powers, or a different Ofcom?

And anyway - any business run by people with scruples, morals, principles, in an decent and honest way, with actual care for the interests of its customers and of wider society would not need an external regulator to tell them how to run their business.

In reply to a post by tdw42:

In reply to a post by Erwins_pussy:

You can buy them on eBay.

There are plenty of NTE5A and NTE5C sockets plus xDSL faceplates for both, but I've never seen a voice reinjection faceplate listed.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/195595346888

That's a modified VDSL filter, it's not the product that Openreach announced and then never released. See page 12 of https://www.openreach.co.uk/cpportal/content/dam/cpp...

In reply to a post by Erwins_pussy:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/195595346888

That's a hacked/modified xDSL SSFP, not a genuine VRI one. Expensive for what is involved for DIY.

That looks like a standard SSFP to me, and a double ended PSTN jack cable.

The FVA faceplates have/had a switch on the side allowing toggling of the voice feed from the rear NTE input to the tags inside which feed back from an external cable from the router/ONT

In reply to a post by GonePostal:

In reply to a post by BLaZiNgSPEED:

. . . those elderly people who are not interested in broadband have no choice but to still opt for a broadband service since they need Digital Voice.

Not true. The ISP will have to supply some way for the customer to connect but there is no compulsion to take on an internet service to maintain a phone connection. That is the ISP's problem. The most likely way forward is that the ISP will provide a basic router with phone socket or ATA and then enable a broadband service locked down to 1MBps or less. The customer is not opting for this solution, it is the provider's solution to maintaining the service. This will be required to be provided at no cost to the customer.

Non-technical people will require help to set this up and it will be interesting to see what arrangements are made for such people with landline phones on extensions elsewhere in the house.

Yes, I'm aware of this phone service with 1Mbps. But the point is that this is still going through a broadband connection and still relies on the customer to connect the telephone to the router however, basic it may be.

I'm not aware of a special phone socket for these users apart from the BT Digital Voice plug in socket. I have googled and I cannot find a Digital Voice faceplate. The closest I have found is this.. https://www.run-it-direct.co.uk/blog/full-fibre-fibr...
But the FTTP modem has a telephone port but this is only when you get upgraded to FTTP from Openreach.

For existing FTTC customers they still have to use the router. This will be confusing for some users as plugging phone into the existing faceplate will not have any dial tone.

In reply to a post by Erwins_pussy:

In reply to a post by tdw42:

In reply to a post by Erwins_pussy:

You can buy them on eBay.

There are plenty of NTE5A and NTE5C sockets plus xDSL faceplates for both, but I've never seen a voice reinjection faceplate listed.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/195595346888

I have exactly the same NTE5C MK4 Faceplate as part of an FTTC upgrade 3 years ago. The telephone port on BT Digital Voice does not work. Please see this image... https://www.ispreview.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/bt-op...
This socket becomes redundant on DV. If you plug the telephone line you'll get no dial tone because the Digital Voice service is being served on an SOGEA.

What we are currently getting with DV is SOGEA so the analogue service does not work.

So for the seller on eBay to claim that this is a "BT Digital Voice phone socket reactivation" is a scammer!

Hint: Returns: No returns accepted.

Because he knows that when we receive it the phone service will not work. £44 for this is criminal. The same socket costs £9.50 on amazon. https://www.amazon.co.uk/Openreach-Telephone-Master-...
Yet the seller claims in the description that Digital Voice will work by plugging phone into that socket. Very deceptive! He should be reported to eBay.

In reply to a post by BLaZiNgSPEED:

For existing FTTC customers they still have to use the router. This will be confusing for some users as plugging phone into the existing faceplate will not have any dial tone.

Strange how some people are seem to want to pick a fight while confirming the original point.

In reply to a post by Erwins_pussy:

In reply to a post by jchamier:

Rather than blaming BT you may want to review Ofcom’s guide

Will that be the Ofcom with real powers, a determination to use them to make broadcasting, telecommunications & postal industries, and online video-sharing platforms behave, and a proven track record of using those powers, or a different Ofcom?

And anyway - any business run by people with scruples, morals, principles, in an decent and honest way, with actual care for the interests of its customers and of wider society would not need an external regulator to tell them how to run their business.

Think you mistake BT for a non-profit. The primary duty of the people running it is to generate a return for the shareholders. Has been since privatisation. This isn't optional, it's a legal obligation.

Eventually the existing users will be gone, so that should not affect the long-term exchange closure programme

I have a building which needs a land line. It has had a landline since 1934(ish). It has no electricity so broadband is a bit of a waste, as is FTTP because no electricity by the connection = no connection.

I, as a customer, won't go away for another few years (I hope...) so I guess I will just lose POTS when the local exchange closes....