In reply to a post by worldofadsl:

It was an RFoG trail using PIA I did for Virgin, talk talk and Fujitsu.

The TalkTalk bits weren't RFoG, they used straight Ethernet.

The VM bits delivered 100Mb broadband only, not 1Gb as far as I'm aware?

In reply to a post by worldofadsl:

I doubt RFoG represents even 0.5% of their network. It makes sense to keep everyone using DOCSIS.

It makes none of the 'production' network, it was a trial. Even new-build areas have been done using HFC.

There's currently an RFoG trial going on in Papworth Everard; there will be a further trial of GPON in the very near future. VM are evaluating a hybrid solution as well as an all-RFoG solution.

The RFoG trial offers the same speeds the current cable network delivers using the same CPE. A gigabit trial in Papworth is due in 2015.

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In reply to a post by worldofadsl:

It was an RFoG trail using PIA I did for Virgin, talk talk and Fujitsu.

The TalkTalk bits weren't RFoG, they used straight Ethernet.

The VM bits delivered 100Mb broadband only, not 1Gb as far as I'm aware?

What are you talking about?

Talk Talk provided us with a standard POTS line during the trail.

VM didn't deliver just broadband during the trail we had TIVO and full TV package.

It was 1gbps we had installed not 100mbps.

I will try and find the press release to prove to you once and for all we had 1gbps not 100mbps.

In reply to a post by Ignitionnet:

In reply to a post by worldofadsl:

It was an RFoG trail using PIA I did for Virgin, talk talk and Fujitsu.

The TalkTalk bits weren't RFoG, they used straight Ethernet.

The VM bits delivered 100Mb broadband only, not 1Gb as far as I'm aware?

https://www.cable.co.uk/news/fujitsu-trialling-fibre...

In reply to a post by worldofadsl:

https://www.cable.co.uk/news/fujitsu-trialling-fibre...

There's nothing in that story about what was actually delivered, and you are wrong about TalkTalk just delivering POTS.

First that story is very careful to give potential performance, it doesn't make a claim on what was actually delivered:

Next-generation broadband that can potentially offer speeds of up to 1Gbps will be available to volunteers taking part in the initiative, who will be called on to give feedback on the performance of their connections.

According to this:

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/news/4880-fujitsu-put-...

This limited trial is taking place in Greasby, the Wirral for 6 months and will offer speeds of up to 100Mbps through two service providers- Virgin Media and TalkTalk.

The trial was delivering 100Mb. Are TBB wrong?

http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/broadband/370243/virgin-...

The first step in Fujitsu's plans is the Wirral trial, where TalkTalk and Virgin will offer services over a 1Gbit/sec network to consumers in Greasby, initially at 100Mbits/sec.

As mentioned previously there was no DOCSIS chipset capable of 1Gb available at that time. This didn't happen until the Intel Puma 6 and its peers, which were announced in 2012. 1Gb had been 'demonstrated' in 2011, however that was using 2 x 16 channel modems to bond 32 channels, not a single device as there was nothing capable of bonding more than 16 channels as of 2011. The RF front-ends were sampling 100MHz of spectrum, so were restricted to 12 EuroDOCSIS or 16 DOCSIS channels worth of bandwidth, about 600Mb.

This slide seems pretty clear that TalkTalk were part of the PIA trial and were using active Ethernet carried over fibre to deliver 100Mb.

Just FYI while the trial was using test kit you were connected to a production CMTS at Virgin Media and using a production CPE once past the RFoG media converter. The kit you were connected to was a Motorola BSR 64k. Virgin are currently replacing the BSR 64k with the Arris E6k as the Motorola is not capable of delivering more than 600Mb to a single node.

TLDR: You weren't on 1Gb from VM because the kit for the home didn't exist, and there was no kit to deliver it at the hubsite either.

Edited by deleted (Wed 24-Dec-14 15:30:33)

I've been on VM in Papworth now for a few months. So far so good but not heard much more about the 1GB trial, any news on when this will be happening?

In reply to a post by urbanmac:

I've been on VM in Papworth now for a few months. So far so good but not heard much more about the 1GB trial, any news on when this will be happening?

I heard back end of last year but it was put back to the early part of this year.

Sorry, unsure what they're up to with it right now. There are 2 fibres going to your home so when you get something from VM saying they want to rock up and mess with the other fibre you aren't using right now that's probably a good sign.