All I'm saying is that if VM are successful in their attempts to restrict P2P and NNTP speeds they will almost certainly alienate a fair percentage of their premium product customers who took it because of the supposed lack of restrictions.

In addition I'm not convinced it will produce much in the way of benefits for others - all that will happen is that at any given time there will be a much larger number of P2P/NNTP connections running at a lower speed than would otherwise be the case. I can't see many deciding to move to schedule downloads only or just not bothering because stuff takes longer to come down.

from what I read port 443 has been used to circumvent. Also tho someone using port 8095 on the tbb speedtest found it throttled down, if it was nntp/p2p only that shouldnt have happened. There has also been an issue with WoW been traffic shaped.

I agree VM have shot themselves in the foot, many areas dont need this shaping, so they have upset many customers without a need to.

I agree, I pay a premium for 50mbit for fast download speeds, you don't need more than 1mbit for VoIP or watching youtube or basic browsing, you need more bandwidth to make the large downloads move faster.

If they throttle to the point where I'm only getting the equievelent of 10-20mbit then I'll just drop my package to a 10 mbit one, because what's the point?

If they want to control traffic on the network then ideally they need to give users allowances per month on/off peak an we buy additional bandwidth to top up, as long as that money is invested into infrastructure to keep everything top speed then everyone is a winner.

The system that entanet had before they went to poop was actually very good for a long time, heavy users simply had to buy more bandwidth, or have a higher package to start with, it's a business model that scaled well.

The usual trick of averaging out low/high traffic users across a network doesn't work on premium packages because most people that take them are high bandwidth users.

I was OK with the STM they added to 50mbit so far, it's a good allowance I suppose, looking at it realistically, but then with throttling on top of that for torrents etc, that's a double whammy that might add up to pretty poor performance for a premium product.