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Standard User mlmclaren
(fountain of knowledge) Sat 07-Nov-15 09:43:16
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Re: Any Speed Tests for Vivid 200 yet?


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Yes, apologies, my response could have been worded better...

In my response to "no major issues", it depends on the area due to the availability of other services and with regards to comments about Virgin's network, some area's are covered by multiple headends, where some are covered by one...

There's also the the networks that have been upgraded with 10Gig links and some still hanging around the 1Gig link mark...

So for instance, the network I was covered by in Birmingham had 11/12 headends and that covered between a 25-35% of South Birmingham, where I'm living now the network has been plagued with capacity and various other issues for a good 5+ years.

However the network here has 7 headends covering the whole city (maybe equivalent to whole of South Birmingham)... so utilisation issues affect area's differently depending on the availability of services from other providers and the headend availability.

One thing that is odd though, the issues with the network local to me are despite there being near 100% FTTx availability and my previous network that copes very well has 50/50 availability with one of its main area's having no coverage by FTTx at all (and ADSL averages of around 3-5Mb/s)
Standard User deleted
(deleted) Sun 08-Nov-15 21:51:14
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Okay, understood.

In reply to a post by mlmclaren:
In my response to "no major issues", it depends on the area due to the availability of other services and with regards to comments about Virgin's network, some area's are covered by multiple headends, where some are covered by one...


This isn't actually a problem. Areas are covered by multiple hubsites, customers don't necessarily connect directly to headends, these are a slightly different beast from the hubsites where most of the CMTS are.

The amount of customers on a particular hubsite / headend isn't an issue as long as there's enough equipment in that hubsite / headend. It's about the number of CMTS and CMTS ports available more than anything else.

In reply to a post by mlmclaren:
There's also the the networks that have been upgraded with 10Gig links and some still hanging around the 1Gig link mark...


The VM network isn't like an Openreach exchange. Each CMTS has multiple 1Gb connections back to a pair of core network routers at the very least, and these backhauls are upgraded to 10Gb as required. It's very uncommon for there to be issues with backhaul between CMTS and core, and nearly as uncommon for there to be issues between core and backbone though not unknown.

There are no hubsites relying on 1Gb links. The links where the 1Gb and 10Gb connections from CMTS to core routers aggregate are 10, 40 or 100Gb.

In reply to a post by mlmclaren:
So for instance, the network I was covered by in Birmingham had 11/12 headends and that covered between a 25-35% of South Birmingham, where I'm living now the network has been plagued with capacity and various other issues for a good 5+ years.


I don't think Birmingham would need 11-12 headends or, for that matter, hubsites. Birmingham has 7 hubsites and a single headend as that's just how the network ended up being built.

The entire city of Leeds, about 3/4 the size of Birmingham lives off a single headend and a couple of hubsites, Leeds Seacroft and Leeds South, Middleton Grove. Seacroft is home to 24 CMTS, Leeds South 12.

Aztec West has 32 CMTS and covers Bristol and surrounds on its own. Reading, with 24, covers a good part of Berkshire and Hampshire on its own including Reading, Basingstoke, Newbury, Thatcham, Wokingham and Bracknell.

Neither 10Gb or 1Gb would be much use trying to backhaul a couple of hundred thousand customers. Many Virgin Media hubsites are not equivalent to a single Openreach exchange and the headend / core sites would be equivalent to the 21CN core nodes.

In reply to a post by mlmclaren:
However the network here has 7 headends covering the whole city (maybe equivalent to whole of South Birmingham)... so utilisation issues affect area's differently depending on the availability of services from other providers and the headend availability.


Headend availability is irrelevant to utilisation issues. What's in the hubsites and headends, alongside how deep fibre is, is what it's all about.

In reply to a post by mlmclaren:
One thing that is odd though, the issues with the network local to me are despite there being near 100% FTTx availability and my previous network that copes very well has 50/50 availability with one of its main area's having no coverage by FTTx at all (and ADSL averages of around 3-5Mb/s)


Your issues are purely a symptom of problems at the Crawley hubsite. They aren't related to anything at Croydon, your headend, or the backbone sites deeper into the VM network.
Standard User mlmclaren
(fountain of knowledge) Mon 09-Nov-15 00:33:15
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It seems I've used the wrong word to describe hub site and ubr...

Kings Norton (hubsite?) has 11 UBR's and they connect to Birmingham (headend?)

Is there any information you can share about Crawley?


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Standard User deleted
(deleted) Mon 09-Nov-15 10:08:43
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Think I have in the past.

Parent site is Croydon, 5 x uBR 7246VXR for TiVo / other STBs, 2 x Cisco 10k for DOCSIS 3.

Issues provisioning new capacity due to aircon, space and power restrictions. Being sorted.

Also original network build not great, so node splits a plenty needed, however these had to wait until the space and power issues at the hubsite were resolved. Can't split nodes and reduce congestion if there's nothing to split them onto.

Once all done the next generation CMTS can start to come online allowing more downstream channels per segment.

Headends are basically where regional TV content is injected and where VoD servers live. For broadband's purposes it's wherever the core routers serving the hubsite live. The hubsite is where the feed from the headend, alongside that from the CMTS, is injected onto the HFC network for delivery to customers.
Standard User mlmclaren
(fountain of knowledge) Mon 09-Nov-15 11:39:15
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Fantastic bit of information thanks... have you nay idea of the current stages of progress or any expected dates...

I didn't realise that the UBR's where split by DOCSIS type... 2 UBR's for DOCSIS 3.0 don't sound a lot, specially when complaining customers are getting bumped up to faster speeds for free...frown

Apart from the capacity for capacity (hehe laugh) I knew about the networks issues with layout from the area manager... I wish they could of said something about the issues with physical capacity in the first place, it would of probably kept me a wee bit calmer about the situation.

I placed an order for a 50/3 service last night, so might do a few tests, but I'm not going to get involved like I did last time, I think I expected too much.
Standard User TMCR
(committed) Mon 09-Nov-15 11:47:18
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Re: Any Speed Tests for Vivid 200 yet?


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In reply to a post by Ignitionnet:
Areas are covered by multiple hubsites, customers don't necessarily connect directly to headends, these are a slightly different beast from the hubsites where most of the CMTS are.

I think this explains a little about my area, Doncaster has always been on a feed from Barnsley, it does not seem to have it's own head ?

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(deleted) Mon 09-Nov-15 13:45:37
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Really interesting...

In reply to a post by Ignitionnet:
This isn't actually a problem. Areas are covered by multiple hubsites, customers don't necessarily connect directly to headends, these are a slightly different beast from the hubsites where most of the CMTS are.

The amount of customers on a particular hubsite / headend isn't an issue as long as there's enough equipment in that hubsite / headend. It's about the number of CMTS and CMTS ports available more than anything else.


If the CMTS are all co-located in a few hubsites, what does the path look like between the user and the CMTS? How much is fibre, how much is coax, and what kind of distances?

And ... what changes in that path when re-segmentation (of whatever variety) is needed? What bottleneck adjustments get made?
Standard User BuckleZ
(fountain of knowledge) Mon 09-Nov-15 19:24:50
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Got my 100 -> 150Mb upgrade today

http://www.speedtest.net/result/4818222465.png

Happy with that over wifi

Standard User mlmclaren
(fountain of knowledge) Mon 09-Nov-15 23:38:06
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Re: Any Speed Tests for Vivid 200 yet?


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Looks good...

When you compare that to the 200 meg package, is there really any point paying the extra £7 per month...
Standard User deleted
(deleted) Tue 10-Nov-15 10:19:18
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Unless your area is mint then no. not at all. 207 is nice but i'd be happy with that too
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