ICMP limit on FTTP broadband?

If I run ICMP testing tool i.e. mtr 1.1.1.1 then my continuous ping to i.e. 8.8.8.8 in another window starts timing out. I guess there is limit on ICMP packets allowed from home broadband account? Tried disabling "Firewall" on Vodafone Supplied router but did not help. Thanks

Can you successfully (continuously) ping test the other way - that is target is your router or externally ping-able network device - able to respond correctly using say BQM, or another monitoring tool?

If there are too many ping attempts at any network router they will drop the packets as these are lowest priority. The first network router you hit is therefore likely to stop responding to some pings and drop them to protect the rest of the network..

As an (ex) network designer I dislike to constant pinging behavior as it is counterproductive which is why they are treated as low priority and dropped . Without the control routers would just get swamped with pings.

In the worst case the router may treat you as part of a DOS attempt and put all packets from the IP address as low priority..

Control Plane Policing

I am somewhat network engineer myself and I think I never experienced this before with usual/basic broadband as I frequently run plenty of ICMP/PING/MTR tools to know my networks, hence asking wether this is Vodafone broadband thing or maybe there is an easy fix..

In year 2022 with FTTPs and all other modern stuff hundreds and thousands of ICMPs should not be a problem really unless there is some limit..

I also don't care that much about certain routers along the way not coping or deprioritising own responses to ICMP. What I am somewhat shocked to see is 40% packet FORWARDING loss just on a few simultaneous pings/mtr. Obviously mtr generates ICMP like multiple pings but that is still nothing really.. If I run just a few ping than no problem which indicated router device has some limiting built in.

Single or just a few continuous pings working just fine. What I have problem is that I can't run lets say dozens of pings at the same time for more advanced multiple monitoring, including tools like smokeping, mtr etc. It seems like Vodafone FTTP router allows something like 15 simultaneous pings or something. I will need to switch off continuous monitoring gadgets and try to count how many ICMPs/s or minute it is allowing.

I guess Vodafone would consider this as untypical usage for basic broadband customer traffic and hence limits it, similar to how modern ISPS limit/blacklist SMTP usage without using mail relays..

However if you are geeky network engineer that runs dozens of constant ICMPS to monitor network performance then Vodafone might be not suitable or at least the builtin hardcoded router limits..

Just wonder if anyone can confirm the same behaviour or any tips..

Thanks

utis

Yes, router will have limits coded in. There are likely to be other people sending pings as well as you, once the router reaches its coded limit it will start to drop pings. If any one customer exceeds the set limit they may see quite large drops.

I have no idea what limits Vodaphone have set. But the policing appears to be hitting a limit and implementing quite a high loss. If you keep below that limit you may lose no packets.

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In year 2022 with FTTPs and all other modern stuff hundreds and thousands of ICMPs should not be a problem really unless there is some limit..

You possibly look like a ping flood attacker (DDOS) - so as @kitcat says, you're breaching some threshold level and then your excess ICMP traffic is being dropped.

Well, to be a DDoS flooder you would generate at least megabits/s of malicious traffic or something. With TCP UDP you can generate up to the physical limit so my dozen kbit/s of ICMP of non-malicious traffic is nothing really. Nothing to warrant limit or treat it as automatically malicious. Btw the first DDoS is distributed. You cannot be distributed with a single connection. This is likely someone at Vodafone just had idea that circa 5 simultaneous pings is enough for home users... Its like someone would decide you can watch only 5 youtube streams at a single time. Might work for most but not for all. Which is not good at all for advanced home users needing..

But anyway I want first to confirm if anyone can confirm this or have any specific tips from their experience on this..

Is it really an issue? do you need to be doing these multiple pings to a couple of DNS servers on your broadband connection.