In reply to a post by trolleybus:

To me it seems rather selfish for you to make calls at no cost with no regard to what it might cost for someone to call you when you don't have an alternative landline style number.

Not sure anyone makes calls for free, do they? inclusive or unlimited minutes increases the monthly cost of a package so technically not free but if you have a way then please share how to do it. I won't be engaging in a discussion about people being selfish as that probably won't end well.

In reply to a post by trolleybus:

Not everyone has a mobile and for a significant number of subscribers that do have one, it is generally switched off

I can honestly say I don't know one person who typically has their mobile phone switched off, accept they may not get a signal from time to time but never switched off.

Edit: Just to add I am referring to people's personal mobiles phones not company ones that they may choose to switch off at the end of the working day.

Edited by deleted (Sat 17-Sep-22 11:58:41)

Really - you’re claiming a significant number of people that have a mobile, generally have it switched off !? Not in my experience.

Fair play if you choose not to have a mobile. In any event you have to pay some provider something if you want a means of electronic communication.

What I’m saying is why would you pay over and above the odds to keep a landline active if you’ve already got a mobile with an inclusive calls. Note not “free” you’re paying for something already.

Doesn’t make a lot of sense to pay for something twice. Not sure how that could be construed as being selfish either.

In reply to a post by trolleybus:

a significant number of subscribers that do have one, it is generally switched off.

No longer the case. The "elderly" generation of 2022 are, in my limited experience, more aware of mobile phones, texting, receiving pictures and video calls than they would have been 5 years ago. The pandemic may have helped of course.

We have relatives who will only ring the landline "as ringing mobiles is expensive", odd that as they are on BT plans which include landlines and mobiles, I also note that TalkTalk and Sky plans also include landlines and mobile. After my Sipgate debacle I looked around at other VoIP providers and they all seem very expensive to have a similar plan to copper providers or mobiles if you just want something simple.

In reply to a post by dect:

In reply to a post by trolleybus:

Not everyone has a mobile and for a significant number of subscribers that do have one, it is generally switched off

I can honestly say I don't know one person who typically has their mobile phone switched off, accept they may not get a signal from time to time but never switched off.

Edit: Just to add I am referring to people's personal mobiles phones not company ones that they may choose to switch off at the end of the working day.

Where I live there is little signal, the phone has to work hard to stay connected. This flattens the battery in a few hours. The phone needs to be switched off or on charge.

In reply to a post by Michael_Chare:

The phone needs to be switched off or on charge.

WiFi calling should help that on most modern handsets. My friend across town has had poor signal for 10 years on EE/Three/O2 and used WiFi calling which solved the issue.

Once upon a time I used to rely on boosters (mostly the horrid 1st and 2nd generation SureSignals from Voda, which has a nasty habit of dying just out of warranty). Way back in the mists of time (OK it was only 2006) I even had tried an older style GSM repeater - you know the ones Ofcom ban 😂

But I digress, WiFi Calling works a treat.

In reply to a post by Pheasant:

Once upon a time I used to rely on boosters (mostly the horrid 1st and 2nd generation SureSignals from Voda, which has a nasty habit of dying just out of warranty). Way back in the mists of time (OK it was only 2006) I even had tried an older style GSM repeater - you know the ones Ofcom ban 😂

The femtocells were great from Vodafone, but the other networks didn't sell used to loan to those "whom had need", all a bit odd. I used a Cel-Fi for a bit, but wasn't great domestically as you need one part of the home that gets signal.

But I digress, WiFi Calling works a treat.

It solved the problem.

I’ve still got emotional scars from dealing with Vodafone over those SureSignal boosters. When you got them setup send working they were great, but they were finicky with internet connections…

For a long time in Suffolk I used bonded 4G connections (from a antenna on my mast on my chimney to sniff signal to the nearest mast) and flip flopping from one CGNAT to another could cause the S/Signals to go into a tail spin as the mothership hadn’t white listed the IP range - this necessitated a long winded support call, where you eventually got through to someone who knew what to do.

Then there was the V3 overheating / catching fire (luckily none of mine) but it happened to other folks.I had acquaintances on another forum at the time drilling holes in the v3 units, like some weird swiss cheese, so they didn’t overheat and die and/or catch fire.

WiFi Calling. It’s a doddle in comparison.